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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

Churches urged to back evolution By Paul Rincon BBC News science reporter, St Louis

US scientists have called on mainstream religious communities to help them fight policies that undermine the teaching of evolution.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) hit out at the "intelligent design" movement at its annual meeting in Missouri.

Teaching the idea threatens scientific literacy among schoolchildren, it said.

Its proponents argue life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own.

As the name suggests, intelligent design is a concept invoking the hand of a designer in nature.

It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other Gilbert Omenn AAAS president

There have been several attempts across the US by anti-evolutionists to get intelligent design taught in school science lessons.

At the meeting in St Louis, the AAAS issued a statement strongly condemning the moves.

"Such veiled attempts to wedge religion - actually just one kind of religion - into science classrooms is a disservice to students, parents, teachers and tax payers," said AAAS president Gilbert Omenn.

"It's time to recognise that science and religion should never be pitted against each other.

"They can and do co-exist in the context of most people's lives. Just not in science classrooms, lest we confuse our children."

'Who's kidding whom?'

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, which campaigns to keep evolution in public schools, said those in mainstream religious communities needed to "step up to the plate" in order to prevent the issue being viewed as a battle between science and religion.

Some have already heeded the warning.

"The intelligent design movement belittles evolution. It makes God a designer - an engineer," said George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory.

"Intelligent design concentrates on a designer who they do not really identify - but who's kidding whom?"

Last year, a federal judge ruled in favour of 11 parents in Dover, Pennsylvania, who argued that Darwinian evolution must be taught as fact.

Dover school administrators had pushed for intelligent design to be inserted into science teaching. But the judge ruled this violated the constitution, which sets out a clear separation between religion and state.

Despite the ruling, more challenges are on the way.

Fourteen US states are considering bills that scientists say would restrict the teaching of evolution.

These include a legislative bill in Missouri which seeks to ensure that only science which can be proven by experiment is taught in schools.

I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design Teacher Mark Gihring "The new strategy is to teach intelligent design without calling it intelligent design," biologist Kenneth Miller, of Brown University in Rhode Island, told the BBC News website.

Dr Miller, an expert witness in the Dover School case, added: "The advocates of intelligent design and creationism have tried to repackage their criticisms, saying they want to teach the evidence for evolution and the evidence against evolution."

However, Mark Gihring, a teacher from Missouri sympathetic to intelligent design, told the BBC: "I think if we look at where the empirical scientific evidence leads us, it leads us towards intelligent design.

"[Intelligent design] ultimately takes us back to why we're here and the value of life... if an individual doesn't have a reason for being, they might carry themselves in a way that is ultimately destructive for society."

Economic risk

The decentralised US education system ensures that intelligent design will remain an issue in the classroom regardless of the decision in the Dover case.

"I think as a legal strategy, intelligent design is dead. That does not mean intelligent design as a social movement is dead," said Ms Scott.

"This is an idea that has real legs and it's going to be around for a long time. It will, however, evolve."

Among the most high-profile champions of intelligent design is US President George W Bush, who has said schools should make students aware of the concept.

But Mr Omenn warned that teaching intelligent design will deprive students of a proper education, ultimately harming the US economy.

"At a time when fewer US students are heading into science, baby boomer scientists are retiring in growing numbers and international students are returning home to work, America can ill afford the time and tax-payer dollars debating the facts of evolution," he said. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

Published: 2006/02/20 10:54:16 GMT

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To: Search4Truth; ToryHeartland
It reads, "Free crabs tomorrow." That is the promise of science. The promise is always forthcoming, but never really arriving.

Yeah, 250 years of methodological naturalism have been an absolute disaster. Human knowledge of the physical world is pretty much stood still since we went on that "scientific method" kick. Things were going much better before.

1,441 posted on 02/22/2006 7:00:19 AM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Elsie

Mostly I reread Genesis and Revelation several more times. The Book(s) of Daniel (I'm Catholic, so we have that little extra there) also came in for additional scrutiny. I also tackled the four gospels again during a run of particularly boring sermons when I accompanied my wife to church.


1,442 posted on 02/22/2006 7:03:36 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: BMCDA
Guess the Ark musta been one badass capacitor bank.

My first job out of the Air Farce was working for P.R.Mallory in Indianapolis, in a life testing lab for their capacitor division. Hundreds of electrolytics were in ovens and freezers, hooked in parallel for extended amounts of time. Periodically they would be tested to see if they were within specs.

Occasionally, one of them would short out and the rest would then discharge thought it, with quite spectacular results!!

1,443 posted on 02/22/2006 7:03:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Search4Truth
It reads, "Free crabs tomorrow." That is the promise of science. The promise is always forthcoming, but never really arriving.

Perhaps you'd prefer we were arguing by passenger pigeon, and getting together by horse-drawn carriage? Maybe instead of following Devonian shorelines to find oil, we should go back to harvesting whales? Maybe you'd prefer that hadn't chased smallpox out of existence?

1,444 posted on 02/22/2006 7:04:28 AM PST by donh
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To: VadeRetro
That guy probably likes to play with dynamite, too.

I can tell some cherry-bomb stories.....

1,445 posted on 02/22/2006 7:05:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Odd enough for a NEW Letterman schtick: "Prime or NOT Prime?"


1,446 posted on 02/22/2006 7:08:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ouch!


1,447 posted on 02/22/2006 7:09:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Search4Truth
The promise is always forthcoming, but never really arriving.

Much like the Second Coming, huh?

1,448 posted on 02/22/2006 7:12:54 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: freedumb2003
IMHO, it is because Jesus wanted us to operate from Faith, not Facts.

Like this?


John Chapter 20:24-29
 
 24.  Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
 25.  So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!"   But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
 26.  A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"
 27.  Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."
 28.  Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
 29.  Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
 

 
 

Except the below does not follow:

That is why the Creationist myth belongs in theology/mythology and Evolution belongs in science.

 

You guys claim that Jonah, Noah are also myths, yet Jesus referenced them to His followers.

Do you not then have to believe them as well?

1,449 posted on 02/22/2006 7:15:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PresbyRev; P-Marlowe

Looks like he has no answers....


1,450 posted on 02/22/2006 7:17:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Search4Truth
So profound were the changes in my life that I left a 6 figure income as a Senior PM with IBM 5 years ago for a new life in the Lord, and have not regretted a single moment of that decision.

NIV Matthew 6:19-21
19. "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

1,451 posted on 02/22/2006 7:20:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: dread78645
...and death by coitus interruptus (Onan).

Glad we just get bad eyes and hairy palms now!

1,452 posted on 02/22/2006 7:23:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: donh; Thatcherite; Junior

Science is great for discovering new ways of communicating, transporting and the like. And I thank God for giving mankind the mind with which to discover those things, that God has made for us to discover.

But science is woefully inadequate in answering life's most important questions, such as, why are we here and for what purpose are we here. God answers all of those questions definitively and absolutely. Those answers will never be found in the minds of men.

One could spend their entire lives searching science for answers to life's most important questions and die severely wanting.

God provides the crab feast today. Science is always promising the feast tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day. As well as constantly changing the menu. If you'll excuse my metaphors. :)


1,453 posted on 02/22/2006 7:23:21 AM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: ToryHeartland

Don't judge a book by it's cover... ;^)


1,454 posted on 02/22/2006 7:25:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Thatcherite
Many other options exist.

Feel free....

1,455 posted on 02/22/2006 7:27:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie; PresbyRev

Those who are not "born again" in the Spirit can not discern God's truth as given to us in the Holy Bible. To them, it's just a book.


1,456 posted on 02/22/2006 7:28:28 AM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: Thatcherite
Many other options exist.

HELLO!

Wasn't I just given an either/or scenario??

1,457 posted on 02/22/2006 7:28:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You are experiencing an Elsie-a-thon...

Some of us have a LOT of catching up to do!

1,458 posted on 02/22/2006 7:29:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro

I missed that part!


1,459 posted on 02/22/2006 7:30:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: donh
Why are you happy to spout such hateful, vengeful, pornographic trash so often? Don't you read this stuff before you paste it up? Have you read this stuff so often that it doesn't register with you anymore?

'Cause it riles you up so!

(PSST: Some folks think it's "The Word of GOD")

1,460 posted on 02/22/2006 7:32:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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