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What Are Creationists Afraid Of?
The New Individualist ^ | 1/2006 | Ed Hudgins

Posted on 01/26/2006 1:47:10 PM PST by jennyp

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To: jennyp
What Are Creationists Afraid Of?

High taxes. And icky bugs.

41 posted on 01/26/2006 2:22:12 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (1. You are drunk. 2. This is not a waltz. 3. I am not a woman; I'm the Cardinal Archbishop of Lima.)
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To: TChris
If you think this outcome requires no intelligence

It may require intelligence, but it doesn't require a designer.

42 posted on 01/26/2006 2:23:49 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: whipley-snidelash
The above is a clear case of accusing another of the very trait he possesses.

Creationists are the one group on FR that can be counted on to flat-out lie on a routine basis. It's an accurate observation.

43 posted on 01/26/2006 2:23:57 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: jennyp

Bad article.

Evolution obviously occurs in nature but some of us don't accept all of its wild claims. If I were an atheist, I would still be dubious BECAUSE of my scientific training, not in spite of any lack of knowledge of science. It has nothing to do with God. Call us skeptics, not scared.


44 posted on 01/26/2006 2:24:07 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Just what icky bugs are you afraid of?

BTW, you keep your hands off St. Rose.


45 posted on 01/26/2006 2:24:12 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: svcw
The real question should be .... what are evolutionists afraid of?

They are afraid of the ego-damaging experience of being very wrong about something so fundamental and so universally espoused. They are also afraid of the implications of creationism, which probably drives the bulk of their objection.

If there really is a God, then there are all kinds of uncomfortable moral implications which follow.

46 posted on 01/26/2006 2:24:35 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: TChris
Evolution, as it is currently taught, is antithetical to the deeply-held beliefs, faith and religious experience of the majority of mankind.

So was heliocentrism.

47 posted on 01/26/2006 2:24:42 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: jennyp

Intelligent design is not science. Evolution and Christianity coexist peacefully.

It is inconceivable that a "scientist" would declare the presence of a guiding hand simply because the object of analysis was "too complex" to understand. Imagine if we traveled back in time and presented a pair of walkie talkies to Charlemagne. Would he not believe that they were a gift from God? Could something so complex actually be the product of man?

Evolution itself through natural selection is the "guiding hand". There is no inconsistency in holding that it is God's way. As ID represents an end state in search of support, it does not qualify as science. It is rationalization.


48 posted on 01/26/2006 2:25:10 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: TheCrusader
unless the linking fossils or the transitional forms could be found. So far neither have been found.

Example #1 of my previous post. There are tens of thousands of transitional fossils in collections all over the world, and have been for years.

49 posted on 01/26/2006 2:25:15 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: whipley-snidelash
The above is a clear case of accusing another of the very trait he possesses.

Exactly.

50 posted on 01/26/2006 2:26:15 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: PatrickHenry

Fear-mongering placemarker.


51 posted on 01/26/2006 2:26:33 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: TChris
If there really is a God, then there are all kinds of uncomfortable moral implications which follow.

Though most evolutionists (particularly in this country) believe in a God, which throws a giant economy-size monkey wrench in your argument.

52 posted on 01/26/2006 2:26:55 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: furball4paws
All of them. Anything with more then four legs is icky.

Except sea bugs, they look icky but taste divine so I just close my eyes while I rip their claws off.

53 posted on 01/26/2006 2:27:05 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (1. You are drunk. 2. This is not a waltz. 3. I am not a woman; I'm the Cardinal Archbishop of Lima.)
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To: Strategerist
Creationists are the one group on FR that can be counted on to flat-out lie on a routine basis. It's an accurate observation.

BS

Some may be wrong on some issues but they aren't liars. If you can't disagree civilly then don't post.


54 posted on 01/26/2006 2:27:35 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: PatrickHenry; jennyp
This article is unusually good; it has begat an unusually hysterical response from the bedwetting brigade.

Salient point of the economic model is that no individual actor in the economic activity has the knowledge needed to do all the things required to produce and deliver the simplest of goods, nor is any individual participant needed to direct oe coordinate the activity of hundreds of thousands of others in order for a product to be created, and even more stunningly, none of the people who contribute to the production of a particular product even need to care if it is ever made; a pencil is the example that Leonard Read used to illustrate this. No one on this planet possesses the knowledge required to make a pencil from scratch, and yet pencils are made and sold, cheaply, by the millions, every year, with no shortages or massive surpluses. No all-knowing, all-seeing "intellect" is required to plan, coordinate, or regulate the entire economic activity that is ultimately required to make a pencil.

Pretty cool....

55 posted on 01/26/2006 2:27:50 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: jw777

No, evolution meets the requirements to be called "scientific theory". Neither ID nor "creationism" meet those requirements.


56 posted on 01/26/2006 2:27:56 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: jennyp
"Hayek showed how in a free market the complex processes of producing and distributing goods and services to millions of individuals do not require socialist planners. Rather, individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a system governed by a few basic rules—property rights, voluntary exchange by contract—have produced all the vast riches of the Western world."

What an utterly dopey argument! All the agents involved are intelligent, (to some degree).

Now if you could show a free market arising spontaneously amongst the rocks in the middle of the Gobi desert you might have an argument.
57 posted on 01/26/2006 2:28:50 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: jennyp

Sorry but this is only a puff piece supporting social Darwinism which is the path toward communism.

"Creationists and advocates of intelligent design come to their beliefs in part through honest errors and in part from evasions of facts and close-minded dogmatism."

After reading this little quote tucked at the end of the article, it was obvious that the author had to get in a personal attack without presenting any evidence.


58 posted on 01/26/2006 2:28:56 PM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: ThinkDifferent
It may require intelligence, but it doesn't require a designer.

No? Maybe not on a very small scale, but for it to work on a large scale, a free economy absolutely requires a designer. It requires recognized laws, standards and enforcement. It requires the close monitoring and regulation of monopolies. It requires a standardized and controlled monetary system. It requires laws and enforcement of those laws.

In conclusion: A complex economy requires a designer, or designers to be successful. Frankly, I'm amazed that he chose such a poor angle from which to approach the subject.

59 posted on 01/26/2006 2:29:04 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: TChris
The complexities of a free market occur precisely because there is intelligence involved! In this case, millions of "intelligences". For the principle to even apply at all, there must be at least two "intelligences" involved.

If you think this outcome requires no intelligence, why don't growing, wealthy economies spring up from schools of fish, or swarms of bees?

The complex, sophisticated results of a vibrant economy are the result of intelligent, voluntary participation in transactions viewed as beneficial by all involved parties.

Score one for intelligent design.

BUMP!

60 posted on 01/26/2006 2:29:13 PM PST by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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