Kent Hovind, a former high school science teacher turned creation science evangelist, said that evolution is the "dumbest and most dangerous theory on planet Earth" at a program in the Union on Dec. 6.
Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry
A former high school science teacher turned creation science evangelist told an audience at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee last Tuesday that evolution is the “dumbest and most dangerous theory on planet Earth.”
Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism, presented “Creation or Evolution … Which Has More Merit?” to a standing-room only audience in the Union Ballroom on Dec. 6. The event was sponsored by the Apologetics Association, the organization that brought Baptist minister Tim Wilkins to UWM to speak about homosexuality in October.
Members of the Apologetics Association (AA) contacted biology, chemistry and geology professors at UWM and throughout the UW System, inviting them to debate Hovind for an honorarium of $200 to be provided to the individual or group of individuals who agreed.
Before the event began, the “No-Debater List,” which was comprised of slides listing the names of UWM science professors who declined the invitation, was projected behind the stage.
Dustin Wales, AA president, said it was his “biggest disappointment” that no professor agreed to debate Hovind.
“No professor wanted to defend his side,” he said. “I mean, we had seats reserved for their people … ’cause I know one objection could have been ‘Oh, it’s just a bunch of Christians.’ So we had seats reserved for them to bring people to make sure that it’s somewhat more equal, not just all against one. And still nobody would do it.”
Biology professor Andrew Petto said: “It is a pernicious lie that the Apologetics (Association) is spreading that no one responded to the challenge. Many of us (professors) did respond to the challenge; what we responded was, ‘No, thank you.’ ”
Petto, who has attended three of Hovind’s “performances,” said that because Hovind presents “misinterpretations, half truths and outright lies,” professors at UWM decided not to accept his invitation to a debate.
“In a nutshell, debates like this do not settle issues of scientific understanding,” he said. “Hovind and his arguments are not even in the same galaxy as legitimate scientific discourse. This is why the faculty here has universally decided not to engage Hovind. The result would be to give the appearance of a controversy where none exists.”
He added, “The faculty on campus is under no obligation to waste its time supporting Hovind’s little charade.”
Hovind, however, is used to being turned down. Near the end of his speech, he said, “Over 3,000 professors have refused to debate me. Why? Because I’m not afraid of them.”
Hovind began his multimedia presentation by asserting that evolution is the “dumbest and most dangerous” theory used in the scientific community, but that he is not opposed to science.
“Our ministry is not against science, but against using lies to prove things,” he said. He followed this statement by citing biblical references to lies, which were projected onto screens behind him.
Hovind said: “I am not trying to get evolution out of schools or to get creation in. We are trying to get lies out of textbooks.” He added that if removing “lies” from textbooks leaves no evidence for evolutionists’ theory, then they should “get a new theory.”
He cited numerous state statutes that require that textbooks be accurate and up-to-date, but said these laws are clearly not enforced because the textbooks are filled with lies and are being taught to students.
Petto said it is inevitable that textbooks will contain some errors.
“Sometimes, this is an oversight. Sometimes it is the result of the editorial and revision process. Sometimes it is the result of trying to portray a rich and complex idea in a very few words,” he said.
The first “lie” Hovind presented concerned the formation of the Grand Canyon. He said that two people can look at the canyon. The person who believes in evolution would say, “Wow, look what the Colorado River did for millions and millions of years.” The “Bible-believing Christian” would say, “Wow, look what the flood did in about 30 minutes.”
To elaborate, Hovind discussed the geologic column — the chronologic arrangement of rock from oldest to youngest in which boundaries between different eras are marked by a change in the fossil record. He explained that it does not take millions of years to form layers of sedimentary rock.
“You can get a jar of mud out of your yard, put some water in it, shake it up, set it down, and it will settle out into layers for you,” he said. Hovind used this concept of hydrologic sorting to argue that the biblical flood is what was responsible for the formation of the Grand Canyon’s layers of sedimentary rock.
Hovind also criticized the concept of “micro-evolution,” or evolution on a small, species-level scale. He said that micro-evolution is, in fact, scientific, observable and testable. But, he said, it is also scriptural, as the Bible says, “They bring forth after his kind.”
Therefore, according to the Bible and micro-evolution, dogs produce a variety of dogs and they all have a common ancestor — a dog.
Hovind said, however, Charles Darwin made a “giant leap of faith and logic” from observing micro-evolution into believing in macro-evolution, or evolution above the species level. Hovind said that according to macro-evolution, birds and bananas are related if one goes back far enough in time, and “the ancestor ultimately was a rock.”
He concluded his speech by encouraging students to personally remove the lies from their textbooks and parents to lobby their school board for accurate textbooks.
“Tear that page out of your book,” he said. “Would you leave that in there just to lie to the kids?”
Petto said Hovind believes the information in textbooks to be “lies” because his determination is grounded in faith, not science.
“Make no mistake, this is not a determination made on the scientific evidence, but one in which he has decided on the basis of faith alone that the Bible is correct, and if the Bible is correct, then science must be wrong,” he said.
Petto said Hovind misinterprets scientific information and then argues against his misinterpretation.
“That is, of course, known as the ‘straw man’ argument — great debating strategy, but nothing to do with what scientists actually say or do,” he said. “The bottom line here is that the science is irrelevant to his conclusions.”
Another criticism of Hovind’s presentation is his citation of pre-college textbooks. Following the event, an audience member said, “I don’t think using examples of grade school and high school biology can stand up to evolution.”
Petto called this an “interesting and effective rhetorical strategy” and explained that Hovind is not arguing against science, but the “textbook version” of science.
“The texts are not presenting the research results of the scientific community per se, but digesting and paraphrasing it in a way to make it more effective in learning science,” he said. “So, what (Hovind) is complaining about is not what science says, but what the textbooks say that science says.”
Petto said this abbreviated version of scientific research is due, in part, to the editorial and production processes, which impose specific limits on what is included.
He added that grade school and high school textbooks tend to contain very general information about evolution and pressure from anti-evolutionists has weakened evolutionary discussion in textbooks.
“Lower-level texts … tend to be more general in their discussions of evolution and speak more vaguely of ‘change over time’ and adaptation and so on,” he said. “Due to pressure by anti-evolutionists, textbook publishers tend to shy away from being ‘too evolutionary’ in their texts … The more pressure there is on schools and publishers, the weaker the evolution gets, and the weaker it gets, the more likely that it will not do a good job of representing the current consensus among biologists.”
Hovind has a “standing offer” of $250,000 for “anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.” According to Hovind’s Web site, the offer “demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.”
The Web site, www.drdino.com, says, “Persons wishing to collect the $250,000 may submit their evidence in writing or schedule time for a public presentation. A committee of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and, to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented.”
Wales said the AA’s goal in bringing Hovind to UWM was “to crack the issue on campus” and bring attention to the fallibility of evolution.
“The ultimate goal was to say that, ‘Gosh, evolution isn’t as concrete as you say it is, and why do you get to teach everyone this non-concrete thing and then not defend it when someone comes and says your wrong?’ ” he said. “It’s just absurd.”
I agree. My post was largely for the lurkers as well.
Any lurkers out there, take a look at PatrickHenry's List-O-Links. There are a lot of good articles linked there which will make some of these posts easier to follow.
Now that we've done our duty for the lurkers, it's time to pop open a Guinness.
[Sound FX: Doctoral dissertation being torn up. Sobbing]
YES!!! Evolutionist like to yell that FOSSILS all follow a nice, consistent STORY. But when a fossil like Piltdown Man (which is just an early human, no missing link HERE!!!!!) is dug up where they can't fit it IN to their "story", they do the CLINTONIAN nuts & sluts defense and spread the LIE that Pildown Man was a hoax!
It's been 80 years since the lie of EVOLUTION was proved by Piltdown Man, and STILL the evolutionist can't tell us just who this supposed hoaxer WAS. Because IT WASN'T A HOAX!!!
Creationist should be shouting FROM the rooftops of the TRUTH of Piltdown Man instead of hiding our light under a bushel. Piltdown Man's bones proclaim the glory of GOD and prove that evilution's godless monkey-to-man story falls apart when you look close enough.
PILTDOWN MAN IS THE TRUTH!!!
"Ye must be born again."
And Ye must be an anti-Catholic bigot. :)
I'm in a different time zone, so there is still time to get a bit of research done before the sun hits the yardarm.
[Sound FX: Doctoral dissertation being scotch-taped back together. Maniacal cackling]
Piltdown ManDidit placemark
Oh yes, let's pretend that "not just everyone" can understand "science." THAT"S RICH! What a joke!!!
I can't claim an advanced degree, but I can claim a high level of understanding.
As an aside, my brother in law graduated from Cal Polytech with a degree in physics, went on to get two PhDs, one in nutritional sciences. He now works at NIH and he is a staunch creationist along with being a real research scientist, not just some copy and paste money on FR.
In the collegial and biblical spirit of "iron sharpening iron", I must regretfully state that Kent Hovind has come to an incorrect conclusion. It's regrettable when a lone-wolf ministry (not referring to Hovind specifically here) goes off half-cocked and promotes an ill-thought-out line of argument, simply because it sounds good in front of an audience.
No true Christian believes that Piltdown Man was a hoax. Only true Christians realize that Piltdown Man, far from being a black eye on evolutionist, actually is a bright light shining in the darkness of the evil materialist 20th Century.
True Christians realize that Piltdown Man is a light shining across the world, bringing a positive message of joy to creationist everywhere: "Evoltuion is a LIE that cannot contain Piltdown Man! WE BELIEVE PILTDOWN!"
Why would you attack my Christian faith?
Brilliant Brother-in-law scientists with two PhD's rejects evolution placemarker. (You couldn't make it up)
"Why would you attack my Christian faith?"
I haven't. You attacked the faith of my family.
I defend the Bible, I defend God. YOu get drunk in front of your kids and claim the Bible must not be true in parts and you tell me that I am not a Christian???
That boggles the mind.
Seriously, why would the words of Jesus Christ cause you to attack me????? What kind of faith is THAT????
Um, wake up call for you. No one is saying anything about Dr.'s but YOU and YOU are getting very confused and saying things that I never said to you. Now, you may or may not of been drunk, but you were posting things that made no sense at all. If you weren't drunk, then I hope you have some kind of logical reason for saying stupid things to people that make no sense.
You're pretty close to an abuse button with these comments; lots of us were on this thread live last night and you are bearing false witness big time.
[Can't recall ever seeing so much hate as a few of you creationists come up with.]
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