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Evolution in the bible, says Vatican
News.com ^ | 11/7/05 | Mikey_1962

Posted on 11/07/2005 12:05:04 PM PST by Mikey_1962

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To: DarkSavant
They didn't say evolution was in the Bible, they said it didn't contradict the Bible.... who was the idiot in charge of the headline?

Ex 20:11 -
" For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

How much clearer could it be?

181 posted on 11/07/2005 1:35:27 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. Ps. 14:34)
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To: EternalPatriot; wideawake
The "original" Bible is not in Latin, but Hebrew, with a few passages in Aramaic--and if you want to throw in the Deuterocanon and "new testament," Greek. The notion that Creationism is the result of ignorance of the "original" and allegedly evolution-friendly Latin Vulgate is one I have never heard before.

BTW, according to the original Hebrew, the world was created in sheishet yamim (six days).

This probably explains why the most prominent Christian-fundamentalists in our societies today more closely resemble the uncompassionate and doctrinally strict, incorrect, and hard-hearted Pharissees of Christ's time with their fancy televangelist programmes, million dollar budgets, and overly theatrical presentations, than they do resemble Christ Himself

Thanks for the compliment! I've long thought J*sus was a liberal and that Fundamentalist Protestants would do well to jettison him and accept the original Fundamentalist religion. Do you suppose between the two of us that we could persuade them?

182 posted on 11/07/2005 1:35:33 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: MineralMan

Yet, the Word also says that Moses talked to God, face to face. Now how do you interpret that?


183 posted on 11/07/2005 1:35:57 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: NRA2BFree

Beware of any interpretation of Scripture that contradicts reality.


184 posted on 11/07/2005 1:36:08 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
First of all, the rains fell for forty days and forty nights. The actual Flood lasted for a solar year. It might pay to actually read the text you are debunking.

That doesn't weaken my point. If anything, it strengthens it. Do you expect papyrus to survive a year-long submersion.

Secondly, what papyrus? What are you talking about?

We have examples of writings on papyrus used by the Egyptians going back to close to 4000 BCE.

The Egyptians were prolific record-keeper. We have more or less an unbroken series of writings from around 4000 BCE until today. It is interesting that the Egyptians never mentioned the occurence of a global flood.

Are you talking about the Torah Scroll from which the story of Creation and the Flood come?

Does that Torah Scroll still exist and how old is it?

185 posted on 11/07/2005 1:36:27 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Coyoteman

"Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
"

Wow! We're third on the list. Amazing. We're almost as many as the Muslims. And a larger group than the Roman Catholics. I guess we're mainstream, then.


186 posted on 11/07/2005 1:36:34 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: The Red Zone
The belief in initial human immortality does square with the account. God in essence had promised to stop the clock on human aging, AS LONG AS man would obey the single rule. It didn't take long for man's end of the bargain to fall through, and of course God knew it was going to happen all along.

I begin to suspect dishonesty on your part. I keep pointing out that mankind's initial immortality contradicts Darwin, not Genesis. And you keep dodging the issue.

187 posted on 11/07/2005 1:37:12 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: MineralMan

It's not all herds of cats. Churches merge as well as split. There never was a promise that, before the end, everyone (or even anyone) would get the bible totally figured out. Some of it, like the Revelation, is like the promos for a movie that hasn't been released to the theaters. The great evangelical call is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as the ticket in; God will work out the other details later. There is wide inter-church recognition of this even as there is disagreement on details.


189 posted on 11/07/2005 1:37:25 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Bushman2
I believe explosions NEVER create, but DESTROY?????

Sorry, neither. Explosions neither create nor destroy, they merely re-arrange.

190 posted on 11/07/2005 1:37:53 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: MineralMan

Hey Mineral...I give up....what's your gig? You a Christian or an Athiest?


191 posted on 11/07/2005 1:38:00 PM PST by scottdeus12
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To: big'ol_freeper

Yeah Vatican!

I went to Catholic school K-12, and we were taught actual science, not the luddite crevo crap.


192 posted on 11/07/2005 1:38:09 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: CommieCutter

You are spot on. We have no physical record of all the buffalo slaughtered in the Plains because they turned to dust because they weren't covered. Things happen a lot more quickly than what many of our scientists say they do.


193 posted on 11/07/2005 1:38:36 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Palisades; highlander_UW
Actually, that figure is misleading. The Catholic Church counts ALL WHO ARE BAPTIZED as "Catholic." There are millions of baptized "Catholics" however who have become protestants (especially in Latin America) or have become atheists/agnostics.

Catholics may be the largest Christian sect, but they are not the majority.

194 posted on 11/07/2005 1:39:08 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: DarkSavant

Note: the BEGINNING of creation is when a day was created and defined, not when God created man.


195 posted on 11/07/2005 1:39:47 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"You do not have to be a scientist to know that evening and morning equals one literal day. If Chapter one of book one is not true, then none of it is true."

That's just silly. Genesis came about from oral tales, and was written a very, very long time after any of the events that take place in it happened.

Moreover, it was written for a small group of nomadic shepherds. How would you tell such a group a creation story? You don't start talking about millions or billions of years to people who can't count past 20. You put it in terms they can understand.

Never forget the audience of the Pentateuch. It was not a modern audience. Most people could not read at all. These were stories told around the campfire, not preached in a church.

It's not literal. It never was.


196 posted on 11/07/2005 1:40:00 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Mikey_1962

It's not Evolution that is the problem, it is Darwinism.


197 posted on 11/07/2005 1:40:11 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Cicero
"I really don't know why you are trying to pick a fight about an issue about which we probably agree."

I'm not trying to pick a fight. We simply disagree that each human life represents a miracle of God. I don't even remotely view such a disagreement as anything more than a curiosity. I was merely looking for more insight into your original statement. You gave it to me. Thank you.

198 posted on 11/07/2005 1:40:44 PM PST by Rokke
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To: MineralMan

Part of the 1.1 billion, even though the Catholics still count me as one of them (see post above). I also enjoy studying religion, despite being of the secular humanist bent.


199 posted on 11/07/2005 1:40:52 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Russ_in_NC
How can any Christian, think that God used evolution to make man, given the above passage?

Do you think God has genitals, a spleen, has to eat and expel waste etc.?

Or does "made in God's image" really mean that human beings are thinking creatures with free will?

200 posted on 11/07/2005 1:41:14 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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