Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

P,S.

HANDWRITTEN letters, I forgot to say.

[nuntukamen]

fascinating addition, and one that in its unique approach probably would have an overwhelming positive effect; there is a folks on folks skill needed that can conversationally demonstrate a sincere interest in the effect on each aruban, and that needs to be a central inclusion, so these recepients comprehend the boycott and battle is institutional (ALE, the prosecution and court system that has arrogantly freed these self-admitted criminals) and not individual, and they can do something about their victimization even if natalee can't do anything about hers, and what could be more fair?

[No Surrender No Retreat]

God Morning LucyT,
As usual the Kennedy's have been looking out for us little folk(s) all along.

Funny how they legislate new taxes, which never apply to them through their clandestine methods of tax proofing.

When Teddy "Jabba the Gut" aka the "Scotch&Water Orator" expires.

Well the people of Ma. will probably have Teddy's "Oldsmosub" resurrected as a National State Monument.

I think the proper ephithet for that monument should be, (Only Wealthy Liberal Communist, May Commit Murder and Get Away Free.)

Wishing you and all Freepers a "Happy Dixie New Year's."

Cordially,
NSNR-THM

[LucyT]

Thanks, NSNR, Happy New Year to you too, and Happy New Year to all y'all. (that's suthern talk)

Here's a bit more from the book about the Kennedys, ot, or maybe not, isn't there an oil refinery in Aruba?:

"Kennedys own some oil companies themselves: once called Kenn Oil, is now named The Arctic Oil Royalty Trust, despite the name, drilling in five states including Texas and Oklahoma.

"Kenoil and Mokeen Oil. In 1985, Kennedy converted these two companies to Royalty Trusts, thus avoiding paying any corporate taxes, “windfall” or otherwise (see p. 92 of Do As I Say (Not As I Do)).

"The Kennedys also have oil deposits in Louisiana, as well as mineral rights on properties in Alabama, Florida and Mississippi.....

"Much of the land was accumulated by convincing poor rural black farmers to give away their “mineral rights,” not knowing what it meant. The Kennedys set the operation up as a Royalty Trust to avoid paying income and corporate taxes on the profits. Family members including Ted Kennedy, environmentalist Robert Kennedy, Jr., and Joe Kennedy, Jr. receive checks every year."

It would be my guess Caroline and the Missus Schwarzenegger receive tax free checks also.

[shebacal]

It occurs to me that a letter-writing campaign from individual Americans to the commom Aruban people might be the way to get something done.

To facilitate writing letters to individual Aruban citizens, as per your excellent idea, here is the website for the Aruba White Pages for names and addresses:

Aruba White and Yellow Pages

After the street address, I think it should be: Aruba, Dutch Antilles.

To compose a letter in Papiamentu, here is a translator website:

English to Papiamentu Translator

Here is a sample of the translator:

English:
Dear Sir, I want to tell you why I will not vacation in Aruba until the case of Natalee Holloway is solved and the guilty ones go to prison.

Papiamentu:
kerido meneer, ami ke na bisa abo pakíko ami lo no fakansi den aruba te e afèr di natalee holloway ta solushoná í e kulpabel esunan bai na piskalat.

For an English to Papiamentu Dictionary:

English to Papiamentu Dictionary

"Letters to the Editor" could be sent to Jossy Mansur, at Diario newspaper. Maybe he would print them:

DIARIO & ARUBA DAILY
Engelandstraat 29
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean

[presently no screen name]

"The Kennedys also have oil deposits in Louisiana, as well as mineral rights on properties in Alabama, Florida and Mississippi..... drilling in five states including Texas and Oklahoma.



Thank you, LucyT, for your dedication in bringing the truth forward this year. A very happy and blessed New Year to you and your family.

When I hear 'oil' I think of 'W' who has been accused of everything in his fight against evil, but the left demands its really about 'oil'. Yet those that accuse him have their own little secret. Gee, wonder why they were so adamant about drilling in Alaska. - competition?

[shebacal]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10650782/

'Scarborough Country' for December 29

Guest: Richard Walter, Holly McClure, Laura Schlessinger, Ronald Richards, Stacey Honowitz, Michael Smerconish

Snip...
SCARBOROUGH: ...We're going to be talking about that case, Natalee Holloway, and much more when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns.

SCARBOROUGH: Like every year, 2005 has been filled with unsolved crime stories that get so many people talking.

I will tell you, everywhere I went, people were asking me, what really happened to Natalee Holloway? Where did the honeymoon groom, George Smith IV, go? What happened to him? I will tell you, these stories and so many others captured the nation's imagination like few crime stories in recent memory, but will they ever be solved?

As we come to the end of this long year as far as these crime stories go, let's bring in Broward County prosecutor Stacey Honowitz and criminal defense attorney Ronald Richards.

You know, Stacey, it's very interesting that as we get to the end of the year, the Natalee Holloway case isn't so much about Natalee Holloway as it is about her mom. You have got Aruban authorities saying that it was actually Beth Holloway Twitty that hurt the investigation into her missing daughter. What would you say? Looking back at the year, did Beth Holloway Twitty hurt or help the investigation of her daughter?

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: Well, when you think about that question, it's so ridiculous, not that you're asking the question, but we had a whole scenario with Beth a couple of months ago.

How could she possibly hurt this case? Her daughter's missing. Nobody seems to have any answers for her. Everybody's leaving her out of the loop, out of the investigation. She has helped this investigation, because she has pressed forward, because if she didn't press forward and if she didn't ask for answers, nothing would be happening. Unfortunately, we still don't have an answer.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: But I will tell you what, Stacey, what you have the Aruba authorities coming forward and saying—and, in fact, the guy who is the chief prosecutor in this case right now is saying, if she would have just sat back and shut up, they would have let kept these three boys out, let them drive around, tapped their phones, basically do the same thing that they did with Laci Peterson's husband, Scott, and caught him in this sort of web. Do you buy that?

(CROSSTALK)

HONOWITZ: Come on, Joe. Absolutely not. These people sat on it.

They let these guys go. They could have taken their computers.

They could have gotten DNA. There are so many things that they could have done that they failed to do, and that's not through the fault of Beth Holloway. That's through the fault of them not moving fast enough. We probably could have solved this a long time ago.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: Ron, was Beth a help or a hindrance?

RONALD RICHARDS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: A very big hindrance. I respectfully disagree, in she was not a percipient witness to any of these events.

You don't have an American person go over to Aruba and start criticizing the investigative agency. This was the son of a judge is one of the key suspects. The boycott she's put together between Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia, all she's doing is making the civil servants of Aruba angry and the people of Aruba angry.

HONOWITZ: Oh, come on.

RICHARDS: And she's been a big interference with this investigation.

No mother would jump in over here.

HONOWITZ: So, I don't understand.

So, in other words, because he's the son of a judge, that's what you're trying to say, because he's the son of a judge we should have sat back, sat on our hands and not done anything? You're feeding exactly into what they're doing—what they're saying.

(CROSSTALK)

RICHARDS: You should have a realistic assessment of the political realities. And if you're going to go to an island like that and sit there and criticize the people that are investigating the homicide—remember, in a homicide, you have to show proof of death and agency by another person.

HONOWITZ: That's exactly right.

RICHARDS: We don't have a body. And we don't have a body, and we don't know who did it.

(CROSSTALK)

HONOWITZ: How can you say that this mother should worry about the politics of the country when her daughter is missing and three guys admitted to being with her as the last people having sex with her?

So how do you say political reason should play a part and she shouldn't have said anything? That's ludicrous.

RICHARDS: You get more bees with honey than with vinegar. That's why.

SCARBOROUGH: Oh, but come on, Ron. What if there's a cover-up going on?

And there looked like there was such a cover-up going on in Aruba. You have these guys that—again, these guys who were the last ones that were seen with her. One of them admitted recently that all three of them had sex with her on the beach. What did the Aruban authorities do? The next day, they go find two poor black guys and arrest them, while they're allowing these three punks to go around the island for 10 days.

They don't check their car for DNA. They don't check their clothes for DNA. They basically allow them to clean up all the evidence. They never check the well in the back of the van der Sloots' yard. I mean, come on, do you really think that even if Beth Holloway Twitty had used honey, as you say, that they would have ever given her the sort of investigation that her missing daughter deserved?

RICHARDS: Well, I think that if Beth Holloway took a lesson in public relations and not to go to a foreign jurisdiction like the ugly American and start running around...

HONOWITZ: Oh, my God. I don't believe this.

RICHARDS: ... throwing her weight around, and leading boycotts, she would have been in a better position.

(CROSSTALK)

RICHARDS: Look, I...

(CROSSTALK)

HONOWITZ: And God forbid it was someone in your family. You would have done the same thing. You would never have thought to yourself, let me sit back and let them handle it.

RICHARDS: No.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, Stacey...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: God help us.

(CROSSTALK)

RICHARDS: If it was someone in my family, I would have went over there and greased the wheel a little better.

SCARBOROUGH: God help anybody if they had done anything like that to any of my children. Then you had law enforcement officers covering it up. I don't know any parent that wouldn't have gone down there and fought like Beth Holloway Twitty did.

But let's move on to the next case.

RICHARDS: Well, who says there's a cover-up?

SCARBOROUGH: The other case is—who says there's a cover-up? Come on. Who says there's not a cover-up?

Let's move on to the next case.

RICHARDS: All right.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey LucyT,
I liked the Southern-phonics and appreciate the intell on the despicables of America(Kennedy's)

They are always looking out for the blacks by taking advantage of the ones, who chose to remain on the DNC plantation.

The despics wealth came during the Prohibition Years, runnning(boot-legging) that Canadian whiskey into the USA for sale.

When it comes real social status, they are on the bottom along with the klintoon's and kerry's.

When the Kennedy's are non-existent the world will be a better place.

Until then, salutations and New Year festivities per safe mode to you and you all.

Lil' Abner is my cousin,
NSNR-THM

[shebacal]

Brutal attack on tourist in Aruba. Lots of Polis available for this one

Diario Online

Diabierna, 30 December, 2005
First suspect of attack brutal worde grabbed.

Oranjestad (aan): Detention owing to commence cay on the suspect involved in the attack brutal recently on one pareha tourist on boardwalk near of Highrise Hotel.

[shebacal]

On Rita, Fri, Dec 30, 2005:

Jane Velez Mitchell in for Rita.

Robin Holloway said she called Karin Janssen, prosecutor, and they talked. She said the 3 suspects were released by the judge without conditions, so they cannot be forced to come in for re-questioning, only if they come in voluntarily. Not going to happen.

Jane: "That's a shocker.

Robin: Today is 7 months that Natalee is missing.

Jane, on phone with Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney.

Carlo: Joran can't be obligated to be questioned because his release was without any conditions - cannot be obligated to answer questions.

Vito Colucci: "It's horrible what Aruba is doing to the family.

Carlo: Joran is just being hisself with his family." I have not heard of any list of questions - I have not received any information about scope of questions. I have not been in any contact with prosecution."

Carlo said a letter had come in to him inviting Joran to come in and answer questions. Carlo said he was not going to respond to the letter.

Vito Colucci: "Jane, we can't be surprised at what is happening. What has happened to the whole thing where she had sex while she was going in and out of consciousness? I don't see any future with the investigation."

Ron Richards: I think it will be delayed until Joran is out of jurisdiction."

Vito Colucci: There should have been scrapings of nails, shoes..."

[shebacal]

Carlo: Joran is just being 'hisself' with his family.

Oh, really? In the living room around the Christmas tree, will there be drinking with all his 'Pimps' club buddies dropping by? Will Urine initiate his younger brothers into the "Pimps club', with Papa and Mama looking proudly on?

Will Urine remember to always flash the 'Pimps' sign when his picture is taken in front of the Christmas tree? Will Urine be holding a belt around the neck of one of his younger brothers, while posing for a Christmas photo to e-mail to relatives and post on his website? Who will Urine decide to bite in the cr@tch this time?

Will Urine and Papa set up for their high-stakes gambling on the coffee-table, and teach the little brothers how to play Texas Hold-em?

Will there be 'ruffies' slipped into Mama's drink, and belly shots taken off her considerable belly?

Will there be sex with someone unconscious?

Will there be "something bad happening" to someone there in the living room? Will there be a body to slip down the cistern, or take out to sea? Will the relatives have their boat available this time?

Oh, yes, just Urine being 'hisself' at home with his family.

[shebacal]

www.amigoe.com/english

Saturday 31 December 2005
Uncertainty about tourism figures

ARUBA – It is not clear whether the tourism is affected by the Natalee Holloway case. Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has not announced yet how many tourists had visited Aruba between July and September.

The October figures show a drop. “Very bad, Aruba’s economy depends on the tourism. We must know what the situation is”, is the opinion of the AVP.

It is incomprehensible that the tourism-minister Edison Briesen does not realize that something is wrong. The AVP is concerned about the tourism. It is irresponsible not to know whether there is a Holloway-effect.

AVP wants a meeting with the taskforce, the parliament, and the minister in early 2006 to talk about a marketing plan. Recently, the Central Bank of Aruba and the Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) reported alarming figures about the tourism.

According to the Bank, the cruise passengers have dropped with almost 40 percent in October of this year. The hotel occupancy was almost 78 percent in October. The Bank couldn’t give the results in the months July up till September, because they depend on the data from ATA that were not available.

Also compared to last year, the airport of Aruba registered fewer passengers that entered Aruba. According to AAA-director Peter Steinmetz, the 2004 amount of passengers (1.7 millions) is not feasible in 2005. His opinion is that this has directly to do with the disappeared American teenager, Natalee Holloway.

© Copyright 2001, Amigoe.com.

[shebacal]

It is irresponsible not to know whether there is a Holloway-effect.

The "Holloway-effect" has hit Aruba where it hurts. All done by one 110-lb human hurricane named Beth.

[alrea]

His opinion is that this has directly to do with the disappeared American teenager, Natalee Holloway

Time to turn up the heat for 2006. More states need to get involved.

[alrea]

is dickpak still hisself?

[shebacal]

The world according to the Dutch Antilles.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Tursday, December 29, 2005
Isla resumes the burial of polluted sand

CURACAO – The Isla-refinery has resumed the burial of bags with polluted sand. The Environmental Service (ES) had stopped this process in December of last year, after this paper had published pictures of this matter.

According to the ES, the sand is contaminated with used aluminum magnesium silicate, which is known for being oil and water absorbent. The ES was of the opinion that the bags could not just be dumped in holes, because they contain oil residue that can pollute the soil. After this, the process was idle for over a year.

The Amigoe published not long ago a picture of the partly decayed bags lying on the premises. Part of these bags was washed away by the rain. The Isla has resumed the burying of the bags and the holes are now lined with a blue, waterproof substance.

The contents of the decayed bags are being cleaned up and put in new bags. The refinery realizes that the restart of the process has taken too long.

In addition to the white bags, they are also burying barrels with ceramic balls. According to Richard Colastica of the Milieu department of the Isla, the ES doesn’t need to give permission for the burial of the polluted sand and balls, because this is a standard procedure.

[shebacal]

is dickpak still hisself?

Probably not. He no longer has his remora-mouth sucker-attached to Urine's side. It's not so easy to hit on and pick up young American tourists without the great white leader. Dickpak says he has no friends now - all that is ended.

I have not seen any recent video of him arriving at the door of C&C's to grasp little white packets in his hand before ducking and snaking away from the camera.

I have not heard anything recent about Dickpak's great alibi-providing friend, the DJ from the party boat. The last I heard, SC got tossed overboard from the party boat and is employed by C&C's.

Not to worry about DK though, cause his "everybody lies" Mama is on hand to take care of him on the One Happy Island.

[shebacal]

www.arubatourism.com/webcams.html

Where are all the people?

Beach Camera at Bucuti Beach Resort in Aruba, with a view of one of the World's most beautiful beaches as published in "Dream Beaches of the World". The camera operates sunrise to sunset, updating every 10 seconds:



Beach Camera at Bucuti Beach Resort's Tara Suites in Aruba, with a different view of one of the World's most beautiful beaches as published in "Dream Beaches of the World". The camera operates sunrise to sunset, updating every 10 seconds:



Pool view camera at Playa Linda Beach Resort on Palm Beach in Aruba. The camera operates sunrise to sunset, updating every 10 minutes:

[freedumb2003]

Looks great and uncrowded.

Thanks for the link. I'll bet I can get a great deal -- even in winter.

Off I go to Arruba as soon as I can get a long weekend.

[shebacal]

Off I go to Arruba as soon as I can get a long weekend.

While you are basking in the sun in isolated glory, you might give a few seconds thought to the murdered and annihilated American citizen Natalee Holloway.