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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15
Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

Posted on 08/19/2005 7:02:03 AM PDT by TexKat

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.


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KEYWORDS: allamericangirl; americansweetheart; aprayerfornatalee; aruba; arubancorruption; beth; bethandjug; boringstory; boycottaruba; carloscharlies; courageousmom; daviejoneslocker; deepak; deepkrap; disappear; drugcartel; enoughwiththis; everyoneschild; fbi; generalissimofranco; ghb; greta; investigation; joran; jug; kalpoes; kalpooeys; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; stilldead
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To: Canadian Outrage

True, but probably suspended with pay, just like papa VDS...


1,541 posted on 08/24/2005 9:54:17 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: Dolphy

I'd like to know why Jurine is STILL in the Juvie section???? I'd also like to know WHY he hasn't been interrogated for TWO FULL WEEKS now????? These are the important issues, NOT a tour of the prison.


1,542 posted on 08/24/2005 9:56:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage

"I'd like to know why Jurine is STILL in the Juvie section????"

Mark Fuhrmann said he is a "soft boy".....his poppa and his buddies in LE realize it, too. They won't put this protected soft boy in jail with men.


1,543 posted on 08/24/2005 10:01:55 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Spot on!! Your right, these over the top statements about how much damage MSNBC has done is drivel!! So they get a sanction - big deal!! Maybe the question should be asked as to WHY this warden invited them in for a tour and then took them into the area where Joran was. THAT's what is smelly here.


1,544 posted on 08/24/2005 10:02:06 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Palladin

LOL he sure did tonight!! Still makes me chuckle.


1,545 posted on 08/24/2005 10:12:01 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Rusty Roberts

You took those words right out of my mouth. The warden isn't suffering, NOR has he really been disciplined. These fools just want us to think that. Just because the Aruban cough, cough, Law Enforcement want us to think they are really "doing some investigating", doesn't budge me one millimetree from knowing that they are all hiding in the Rhubarb patch trying to "pass the required time"!! Where is Barney Fife when you need him???


1,546 posted on 08/24/2005 10:18:20 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Well it looks like I'm talking to myself. I know y'all or most of you live in time zones 2 to 3 hours ahead of me. Rusty Roberts doesn't but it even looks like Rusty has called it a night. So I think I will also. Sweet dreams all and tomorrow we meet again. I continue to pray that God will reach down and place this motherr's child Natalee, where all can see.!! CO


1,547 posted on 08/24/2005 10:29:18 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Toespi
My Dear you are quite full of it tonight, I hope what you just posted leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

I know just reading it really messed me up


1,548 posted on 08/24/2005 10:31:41 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: maggief; Dolphy

Is Rita going to lose her "special sauces?"

What's going on?


1,549 posted on 08/24/2005 10:45:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Palladin
I love Ted Williams. He has a way with words.

Me, too.

And where IS that accent from?

1,550 posted on 08/24/2005 10:47:56 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Toespi
while I do think the Twittys and the Holloways have pushed the limits, please remember that it was THEY THEMSELVES that started the investigation and not the polis.....

one has to wonder if the polis would have done anything at all if it didn't have the family breathing down their backs......

1,551 posted on 08/24/2005 11:10:12 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Howlin
It seems MSNBC coaxed an interview with the warden who decided to show them some cells...and guess who just happened to be hanging out? They of course filmed Joran, caused a court hearing where MSNBC was threatened with fines if they broadcast their video. In the meantime a crowd gathered outside the courthouse to protest the US media and Joran's mother added another incoherent statement to her resume.

I'm really sorry that this has become such a circus.
1,552 posted on 08/24/2005 11:13:07 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy; TexKat; Howlin; All

SM:

posted by sunmoonstars

Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:36 am

MSNBC Rita Cosby Wed
Michelle K talking to prison warden...please note that I could not understand every word...thus the question marks.


Warden:

W: Strange in another way not, because of his temperament..when he doesnt get his way he gets very angry.
He even snapped/stepped? at his mother once. His mother tried to correct him once, he snapped/stepped? at her.

K: Did he try to hit her?

W: No, not really hit her, just used a lot of bad language

K: Did you see some of his temper in prison?

W: In beginning yes, with a policeman. But then afterwards, the policeman really roughed him up, cuffed him and took him to police station.

K: How did he act out at the police officers, what happened?

W: They came to pick him up and he wouldn't go. His father was just incarcerated, and he said no, he wants his father free then he would go.
I said no you have nothing to say, you are going. He said no, I am not going and went back to his cell.
Then they called from ?? said he had to go.

K How has he been now that he has been here a couple of weeks?

W: Now, he is normal, has no problems with no one. He has incorportated himself to the system.

K: How do you think Joran has reacted to not being able to see his parents everyday? Has there been any noticeable change?

W: Well, his parents called me and also the second man in command. He called the social worker that handles Joran.
To get some extra time visiting. She came to me, I said no to extra visiting time.

K: So, she thought he should get some special treatment?

W: Yes, he thought so..the judge..the judge to be.

K: How do you think Joran is doing in here, is he okay?

W: To my knowledge yes, but to him, he wants to go home. He is eager to go home I believe.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1097&start=40


1,553 posted on 08/25/2005 2:56:54 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Ping to #1553.

W: Well, his parents called me and also the second man in command. He called the social worker that handles Joran.
To get some extra time visiting. She came to me, I said no to extra visiting time.

K: So, she thought he should get some special treatment?

W: Yes, he thought so..the judge..the judge to be.




SM:

posted by arubagirl

I know the warden superficially, I have no idea what was thinking as he has a law degree.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1704&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=freddy+lawyer&start=420


1,554 posted on 08/25/2005 3:03:24 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: Toespi

If anyone has jeopardized this case it is the Twitty family themselves.

I agree.

And they've done it, for the most part, with the megaphone provided by the cable news networks.

BHT's visit to the internet cafe/ Deepak Kalpoe is where I think they (BHT and NBC) really crossed the line...wading into witness tampering and attempting to bribe a witness territory.

But, it remains to be seen if there is even enough evidence to make this case prosecutable.

What has become increasingly apparent is that the 'news' in this case has the look of being scripted. Every week there is a different story line...one week it was 'Beth Visits Deepak', another week it was the recycled 'Natalee was assaulted/ raped' story, then 'The Searcher's Spar', 'The Incredible Disappearing Gardener', and this week, it's the 'Joran Interview' episode. Long ago this story left 'News' terrain and morphed into a soap opera/ mini-series/ reality TV 'show' with the 'news programmers' scrambling to extend the shelf life of what, for several weeks, has been appearing to be a cold case.

Exotic tropical backdrop. Somehow, I don't think there would have been the same enthusiasm on the part of the newsies if this had happened in Bismarck, ND.

1,555 posted on 08/25/2005 4:04:21 AM PDT by elli1
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To: elli1

I think your doubts are already proven wrong.

Lacy Peterson was headline news for months and that was without a bungled case from the start, intentional or not.

Look what it took to knock the Chandry Levy case out of the headlines. And several others in recent years have carried the headlines until they were resolved. Lori Hacking is one.

The internet's influence on news grows as the internet grows. Some might think it's a bad thing. I think it's a good thing.


1,556 posted on 08/25/2005 4:24:44 AM PDT by RGVTx
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

No problem, FRiend. :o)
Hope yolu have a stellar day.


1,557 posted on 08/25/2005 5:11:09 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: rolling_stone

Great post, RS! You are right on target.


1,558 posted on 08/25/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: elli1

Excellent points and you nailed it. The Twittys and media have developed an unhealthy symbiotic relationship. They need each other for survival.

"Exotic tropical backdrop. Somehow, I don't think there would have been the same enthusiasm on the part of the newsies if this had happened in Bismarck, ND."

Since you mentioned this, here is a case in point. My daughter went to high school with the currently missing girl in Columbus, maybe you have heard of this case, Julie Popovich? (I know we haven't really heard a lot about it, only little snips in between the Natalee debacle.) As a matter of fact, my husband knows her grandfather very well, he is a retired Columbus firefighter and just devastated. We even ate at the restaurant where she worked the other night, her co-workers are equally devastated. Did you know that they found her I.D. in an area around a water dam? No, I don't suppose anyone has heard that because they have been more interested in what Joran looks like in jail. Incidentally, Julie was missing for five days before they started the search. Does anyone think this could be a cover-up?


1,559 posted on 08/25/2005 5:55:26 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: theophilusscribe

Here's an interesting tidbit:

FROM SM:

Caligirl wrote:

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:25 am

[I got some things for you Monkeys to talk about this morning!
Guess who Tito's brother is? None other than Garrick Lacle who works advertising for CnC... hmmm.. what do you Monkeys think of that?]


1,560 posted on 08/25/2005 5:55:36 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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