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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 10
Various News Outlets | 7/28/05

Posted on 07/28/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by TexKat

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Firefighters drain a lake, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, in Oranjestad, Aruba searching for Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island. Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance but would not comment further. The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Heated Discussion; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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ArubaGirl
Please help,
Do you have any idea what area might be described as
"under the old Hilton"
A part of the Wyndham that was not renovated or maybe
and abandoned underground garage there?

This is supposed to be accessable by an alley and/or "old" driveway.
Thank you for all of your efforts to help Natalee's family.


941 posted on 07/29/2005 6:46:55 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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SM (http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1851):

Elaine
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:47 am    Post subject: Natalee+Landfill the connections

I really believe that we will all find out soon, that our girl, unfortunately is in the landfill. Why, Because on Monday night Jossy said that"They have a witness that can lead them to Natalees body". Later he said, the witness "SAW" what happened to the body, and where it was placed.

Today the landfill was searched, the witness was taken there to show the police where the body was"put". ES, does have a "point of interest" that they are looking at in that landfill.Today several rumors came out that, her body was found, then it was hushed.

I believe....IMHO...That she was found, in that landfill, but it will take a long time if she is there "to retrieve" her. One last thing id like to mention adding to msuspicions that shes there.....Last week we asked questions for the "live Tim Miller ES interview." I had a question on there, for Tom to ask Tim, if her body could be , in that landfill. They didnt have time to ask my question.

why did i want that question asked...BECAUSE, AS IVE STATED ON OTHER THREADS..MY IVESTIGATIVE SEARCHING...TOOK ME TO JORANS SCHOOL....THERE WERE MANY LINKS THERE... I CLICKED THEM ALL...WHEN I GOT TO THE ONE THAT SAID ENVIRONMENTAL CLASS TRIP AND CLICKED I DISCOVERED THAT THAT SCHOOL TAKES CLASS TRIPS TO THAT LANDFILL, AND LEARNS ABOUT WASTE DISPOSAL.

LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES GAVE ME THE CREEPS, OMG!! JORANS BEEN ALL UP INSIDE THAT LANDFILL THEY HAD DEAD ANIAMLS THERE, SO JORANS THINKING COULD BE THAT THAT IS WHERE THE DEAD GO TO BE CRUSHED ETC...I COULDNT BELIEVE THAT IVE BEEN ALL OVER THE INTERNET READING ALL THE THEORYS ABOUT, NATALEE.....AND YET I DIDNT SEE ONE THING MENTIONED ABOUT THIS DAMNED TRIP....I BROUGHT MY INFORMATION TO THIS FORUM ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THE WITNESS EVER POINTED TO THE LANDFILL AND WE BRUSHED IT OFF...UNTIL MONDAY WHEN THEY SAID ABOUT THE WITNESS, BODY, LANDFILL...I THOUGHT AGAIN OMG.....

I BROUGHT THE INFORMATION INTO THE BOARD AGAIN ........I EMAILED BETH AND JUG TWITTY...I CALLED THE FBI, AND WAS ONLINE SENDING THEM WHAT I FOUND...

if Joran was inside that landfill it could make a difference, Can you believe when i told the FBI , I was sure they probablly knew about his possible connection=school trip. they did not. ...I AM WONDERING why i was"chosen " to find what I did. Maybe ill never know. But if I helped Natalees family in some small way..then it was meant to happen.....Thank you


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942 posted on 07/29/2005 6:47:08 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

If this is true I hope the FBI locates the person/persons that sent such a letter and prosecutes them to the fullest extend of the law. That is not how we do things here.


943 posted on 07/29/2005 6:47:23 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: bolta_lightnin

Did ArubaGirl respond to this?


944 posted on 07/29/2005 6:52:58 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: bolta_lightnin; All

Hello, fellow newbie. Thank you for that intense link! I have spent way long there this morning, almost 45 minutes sifting through the Shango. Wasn't the landfill brought up before, or was that a bldg behind the Marriott or the Holiday Inn that was being torn down?

I've never said anything, but I saw in the Shango pieces you linked that Croes the DJ was let go too soon. I think he may have taken her on the boat to meet another boat and that's why the 'no body, no case' attitude of the VDS. I notice the Venezuela stuff was gone quickly.

Abour the raves, at one point Ringo says the other victims survive. This implies that all are willing participants, which I rather doubt. Leading to conclude that the coverup involved here is more than drugs, and indeed brings me back to the white slavery angle. All these victims would be hustled off the island, used for awhile, then left for dead.

I am just sick about it, but I know deep in my heart that it's in the best interest for this to be told if it is true.


945 posted on 07/29/2005 6:53:54 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: truthluva; presently no screen name

You must be speaking of Mama Kalpoe's losing her job. IIRC it was said that she was suspected to have been turning in food orders and then claiming that the people had walked the tab while she was pocketing the money herself.


946 posted on 07/29/2005 6:57:32 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: bolta_lightnin

bookmark and please ping me.


947 posted on 07/29/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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SM ( http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1847&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=320 ):

TTownMike
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:33 am    

Compananzi wrote:
. . . Local Casino Dealer mysteriously skipped town to Holland...Interrogation also occurring in Holland in the Natalee case.

ORANJESTAD: Information has been circulating for a couple of days that a local Casino Dealer, male, who was working in the one of the Highrise Hotel Casino, right after the dissapearanc eof Natalee, skipped town and went to Holland.

After the Dealer went on his flight, rumors started that this young man also knows the 3 suspects, Joran van der Sloot and also know the bros. Deepak, and Satish Kalpoe.

This important detail, clearly has reached the ears of the local authorities, about the sudden trip of this Dealer, whose in Holland currently.

Sources indicate, and new information that Diario has made available points to the Dealer in question, whose trip went to Holland, was interrogated on more then 2 occasions by Aruban and Dutch authorities relating to the Natalee case.

It appears that the Dealer W confirmes that he knows Joran, but we could not determine if during the interrogation if he brought forward that he knows the bros. Kapoes or not.

Up to now in this 2 months long Natalee case, information are still circulating that this Dealer in question might know something about this case

To prevent rumors, Diario has confirmation from the local authorities, whose during the interrogation also were mentioning the high tailing of this dealer., which they were able to get Dutch counterparts to interrogate this youth with Initials W, whilst he was in Holland. All details of this interrogation will be sent back to Aruba.


948 posted on 07/29/2005 6:59:03 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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Rippersnapper and truthluva:
The reason I believe it to be Joran is because
I have believed all along that the hiding place would be found in the Security Guard's customary patrol area and I still do. That was the A-#1 original lie and was meant to frame the Guards were she to be found. I feel that the poster clearly knows where Natalee was hidden and had made a teasing post about it.
The source of the trouble exists at the Allegro Casino and the hiding place of Natalee was "under" the "Old Hilton" property close by. I would not want to further waste precious resources by sending anyone on a goose chase but I think that the act of simply seeking PERMISSION to search nonpublic areas behind these two Hotels (and the Wyndham in particular) is going to be met with a healthy dose of resistence.
CC


949 posted on 07/29/2005 7:02:07 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: truthluva

re: post 915

I would be cautious about the "revision" of the key in this post re Shango

If for no other reason than the absurdity and obvious US political imlication of changing the original key from:

*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.

to CIA and President Bush, respectively.

The "arawaks" are the indian tribe from the SA mainland who originally populated the island.....to now change the key to Shangos post as above in post 915 is ulterior, and there may well be other changes equally suspicious.


950 posted on 07/29/2005 7:02:10 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: theophilusscribe

okay, now thatsa botla lightnin for sure.


951 posted on 07/29/2005 7:06:25 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: MAWG; spectre
She was a huge DISRUPTION. Disruptors get banned.

Gingersnaps was no such thing; spectre is entirely correct. She was an excellent, articulate poster who had a different opinion than most of us. But she always dealt with personal attacks on her motives and thoughts with rational discussion. She was the wrong one to get banned; it was other FRs who didn't agree with her who goaded her. What a pity. FR is SUPPOSED to be a public forum where dissenting opinions are aired.

952 posted on 07/29/2005 7:06:54 AM PDT by twigs
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To: bolta_lightnin
I have believed all along that the hiding place would be found in the Security Guard's customary patrol area and I still do. That was the A-#1 original lie and was meant to frame the Guards were she to be found.

Now, THERE'S and interesting thought and angle.

It would seem to me that that might be too busy of an area though. When Greta did her 30 days later episode to show the lighting conditions and all, she pointed out how the beach, even at 3:00AM still had quite a few people milling about on it. I would think that it would be the same with areas that would have been patrolled by security guards. But, I suppose its possible,

953 posted on 07/29/2005 7:07:53 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Froufrou

Well this is a combination of the stories I heard and that may very well be the correct version. Thanks.


954 posted on 07/29/2005 7:09:29 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva
If this is true I hope the FBI locates the person/persons that sent such a letter and prosecutes them to the fullest extend of the law. That is not how we do things here.

I agree. And who knows what the motive really is. This may just be some vigilante who is more bark than bite. Or it may be some insidious attempt by some third party to implicate the US in terroristic activities. Either way, it don't play.

955 posted on 07/29/2005 7:10:31 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: bolta_lightnin

At this point, we can't discount that more people may have been involved. Of course, there will have to be more substantial evidence to it. Perhaps this was one of the "more arrests" that Beth and Jug spoke of earlier in the investigation.


956 posted on 07/29/2005 7:13:37 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: truthluva
TL, the theory that she's buried under the old Hilton comes from non-other than the Coffeepot Ghost.

TAW

957 posted on 07/29/2005 7:14:16 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: theophilusscribe


"It appears that the Dealer W confirmes that he knows Joran"

From what we've heard it seems every casino dealer on Aruba knows Joran. Probably his father, too.


958 posted on 07/29/2005 7:16:30 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Oh...I wasn't suggesting any changes. As a matter of fact I spent a lot of time on the Shango post early on. Sometimes it sounds to me like someone with a very active imagination and a flare for prose. Other times I wonder how close to the truth it is and if the person posting it has been located and questioned.

I'm not totally casting it aside, though. As things are now it seems all theories still need to be considered.


959 posted on 07/29/2005 7:18:18 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: All

Gingersnaps was banned for having multiple accounts. Hope this clarifies the situation.


960 posted on 07/29/2005 7:21:01 AM PDT by Lead Moderator
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