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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 10
Various News Outlets | 7/28/05

Posted on 07/28/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by TexKat

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Firefighters drain a lake, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, in Oranjestad, Aruba searching for Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island. Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance but would not comment further. The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Heated Discussion; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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To: sarasota

Maybe they collected it later? I would think that the hairbrush and toothbrush are the last things to be packed. She would need to "freshen up" before she got on the plane. No?


41 posted on 07/28/2005 7:39:52 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

I thought that as well.


42 posted on 07/28/2005 7:43:21 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: onja
What's the big deal over this?

I personally find it more important than, say, Harry Potter or Carthage...(re: your other most recent and most numerous posts).

43 posted on 07/28/2005 7:44:39 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: sarasota
Yes, a gradual withdrawel. Either that, or deliberately p&ss people off so they'll drive me off the thread..LOL.

sw

44 posted on 07/28/2005 7:44:39 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: All

SM homepage (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/):

Ruben Trappenburg on Dutch Radio
July 28th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->

This morning Ruben Trappenberg, spokesperson for the Aruban Government, was on Netherlands NewsRadio1. He doesn’t expect that Natalee will be found in this pond that police and fire brigade are draining. For these four reasons:

–  The Police have already searched the area

–  Texas Equusearch has already searched the area

–  The Dutch F-16 Jets  have already searched the area

–  Four to six weeks ago there wasn’t any pond there, as the majority of the water that is there came from the hurricane that passed over the island.

The statement that the pond is not a permanent pond, but more of a retention area after heavy rains is interesting. Islands typically have these, and the ground tends to be softer than the areas around it.

A special thanks to Gerben for this information.


45 posted on 07/28/2005 7:46:26 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat
Satish lawyer, David Koch does not expect his client to be arrested again.

But what about Deepak? He seems the brother about which there is suspicion. I still wonder why there are two separate lawyers for the brothers. It may be common practice, but I have to wonder if it is because the family knows Deepak bears guilt and they don't want Satish to go down because of Deepak's actions. Just a thought.

46 posted on 07/28/2005 7:48:28 AM PDT by twigs
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To: TexKat

Fascinating article. They just want to get back to business as usual there, and can't, as long as this big spotlight is shining on little Aruba.


47 posted on 07/28/2005 7:48:48 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: truthluva

I just don't see why this one person is more important than some kid in Manhattan who vanishes. Do they have a big news story for everyone who vanishes? But really, why did this story get such coverage? And I liked watching news but for a while couldn't because there was only this story. And seeing as how you all are interseted in this case I'll leave quietly.


48 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:12 AM PDT by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: theophilusscribe; Andy'smom; antceecee; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
The Safe Side - Fox News Video

Missing persons expert John Walsh gives tips on keeping kids safe

49 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:15 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: theophilusscribe

Methink Reuben doeth protest too much. (Deejay/Government Spokesman or is it Government Spokesman/Deejay??)


50 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:48 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: spectre

That shouldn't be hard to do. Just imitate some of the other folks who have come to these threads!


51 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:54 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: spectre
Either that, or deliberately p&ss people off so they'll drive me off the thread..LOL.

LOL! That would work! I'll have to try that myself sometime.

52 posted on 07/28/2005 7:50:23 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: theophilusscribe

I agree: I always carry a small separate pouch (whatever) with toothbrush, toothpaste, makeup and hair stuff when traveling. It goes with me...not in my general luggage.


53 posted on 07/28/2005 7:50:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: theophilusscribe

Believe it's been clearly stated that they are more likely to find "clues" or other evidence, rather than a body.


54 posted on 07/28/2005 7:50:55 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: twigs
It was reported very early on that it would be a conflict of interest for one lawyer to represent both clients in a case.
55 posted on 07/28/2005 7:54:51 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: libsl
Assuming the DNA on the toothbrush did not come from a police officer, I think it will be a major development to determine who it did come from. It could indicate who Natalee had been with before that last night.

Until it's confirmed that it is or is not JVS or the Kalpoes' DNA, it's possible that one of the other girls staying in that room had a visitor over who may have impulsively picked up a toothbrush while in the bathroom just to clean some specks from his teeth, and the one he used just happened to have been Natalie's.

However, if it's determined that the DNA is in fact JVS or one of the Kalpoes, then there sure is a whole heck-of-a-lot of explaining to do...especially by those who were sharing that room with NH. It would then seem to me that there's another level/dimension to this story that's not been made public...just IMHO, of course, and assuming the DNA is one of the 3-amigos.

56 posted on 07/28/2005 7:55:02 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: sarasota; texasbluebell
LOL, you two!

sw

57 posted on 07/28/2005 7:56:05 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: theophilusscribe
It was reported very early on that Natalee's room opened onto the beach. A camera monitor might not be located in the rear of the hotel.
58 posted on 07/28/2005 7:56:23 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: maggief; All
Holloway Search Goes High-Tech - Greta Wire

Yes, by the time you read this, I will be on a plane... or even have landed in Washington, D.C. from New York City. I took an early plane back from New York because we have a special project Thursday that we need to do before the show so that we can air it tonight. I am meeting some colleagues at the airport in D.C. and then we are all jumping in a car to do this project. Yes, this is a tease, but read on....

Today the search for Natalee Holloway (search) in Aruba will be high-tech. The searchers will be using "ground penetrating radar" (search). If you are wondering what that is, tune in tonight to our show! We will show you what ground penetrating radar is and how it works. We are going to Virginia to tape a demonstration of "ground penetrating radar" this afternoon.

We hope we can get the tape back to the D.C. bureau in time to feed it to New York bureau so that it can air at 10 p.m. ET. (If we get hung up in traffic, we will probably air it Friday.) It may seem that "ground penetrating radar" is self-explanatory, but I am curious to see the equipment and how it works. I figure if I am curious, so are you. One of the great things about my job is that I get to see and learn so many new things... unfortunately it is almost always in connection with some tragedy.

I am curious what you think about the now retired police commissioner. It has been reported that he has some connection to Joran van der Sloot's (search) father. I have not been able to confirm a close relationship and I am not convinced there is one. I suspect they do know each other — Aruba is a small place. Here is what I do know: the now retired police commissioner arrested Paul van der Sloot — but did not release him. He detained him in the jail. Paul van der Sloot was released by a judge.

You might wonder why the hair on the duct tape is so important. If it is Natalee's, it is evidence tending to show she was the victim of foul play (not a "runaway.") The chief prosecutor must show a murder occurred in order to prosecute anyone for murder. At this point, while most people are very suspicious that Natalee was murdered, there still are legal proof requirements in court. It is not enough to say, in essence, "she isn't here so she must have been murdered." A prosecutor needs more evidence than that to prove a murder. A prosecutor must show a murder occurred... and then who did it. We expect the results from the DNA on the hair on the duct tape any day. Samples are being tested in both the U.S. and the Netherlands. You don't need a body to show a murder occurred — e.g. if there were a huge pool of Natalee's blood some place, that would be strong evidence of murder.

I could not access the show e-mail account, so only one e-mail today — one that I retrieved Wednesday when I was still in Washington, D.C.:

E-mail No. 1

Last night I heard several news reporters say they don't want Aruba to have a bad reputation as a result of Natalee's case. I couldn't disagree more. Why would anyone in their right mind ever send their child there again? Drinking and carousing around are not the ONLY ways to have a good time and to celebrate.

Lois Franklin
Charleston, IL

ANSWER: The world can be unsafe anyplace... I guess the lesson to be learned is that we need to be extra careful and we hope young people act wisely under all circumstances. Aruba is a beautiful place and safe —- this is tragic but not a usual occurrence there.

59 posted on 07/28/2005 7:56:36 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Mean Maryjean

I even wondered if the DNA on the toothbrush came from hotel cleaning staff messing with the guest's stuff.


60 posted on 07/28/2005 7:57:09 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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