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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: monkeywrench

the most ridiculous argument is the one that WE would never allow the Arubans to come and investigate a crime HERE so why should they let our FBI be ivolved. that is the equivalent of suggesting that the Falls Church Virginia donut eating cops should be called into an investigation of a missing Virginian up in NYC!


1,581 posted on 07/07/2005 10:58:16 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: monkeywrench
"On SM, right now, they're elated"

They're also elated because some of the Arubans are spreading rumors that Jug and Beth are involved in her disappearance for insurance money.
1,582 posted on 07/07/2005 10:59:08 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: xsmommy
Please God let her body be found and let them leave the island paradise and their detractors behind.

Now, you know even that won't stop the morally superior on these threads.

It's disgusting.

1,583 posted on 07/07/2005 11:00:57 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: TexKat

Anybody who worries about why she hadn't laid her clothes out to fly back home in has ZERO credibility.


1,584 posted on 07/07/2005 11:02:30 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Andy'smom
They've completely forgotten all the lies and coverup by the gang of 5. Any MB kids going to that horrid little place, could expect to be treated like the 2 security guards.

They say American media lies, but euro is honest. LOL!

1,585 posted on 07/07/2005 11:06:11 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: monkeywrench

We should consider them, "Persona Non Grata." There leftist posts should be ignored for they show their lack of feasible intellect.

We should all be thankful that we will not have to depend on them to defend America. I could term the majority of them as the "enemy within." I have heard islam is taking applications presently, maybe they will obtain one.

Well Monkeywrench, it's time to go back inside my survival bunker. There is truth in your words. NSNR


1,586 posted on 07/07/2005 11:06:20 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: maggiefluffs


Your posting is the first I've seen about Greta's departure from Aruba, so thank you for posting it.


1,587 posted on 07/07/2005 11:10:25 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: gingersnaps
Anyone think the Kalpoes will ever want to help them now ??? Not bloody likely. Yeah, they should do The Right Thing. But that wouldn't be human nature, would it.

You can't have it all ways. If the Kalpoe's are angry with Joran they surely would understand the Twitty's anger with them and the lies they told. Both it seems have been victimized by the same hand (though one party far more than the other). The burden of magnanimity falls squarely on the Kalpoe family.

What Twitty also said, after he hesitated, was that he would think they would want to talk to him. Perfectly reasonable to expect that innocent people of any honor, connected as victims of the same person, would seek out the ones who continue to suffer. (I use the term innocent loosely with the Kalpoes given that they chose to lie.)

Have you any experience with this sort of thing? A friend of my parents lost touch with their son for over a year in Costa Rica and were forced to hire a PI firm. They could stir no media or government official's attention. I'm not about to start sniping at the Twittys who have brought unbelievable advantages to this entire case.

1,588 posted on 07/07/2005 11:11:00 AM PDT by Dolphy
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To: monkeywrench

I would expect no less from those at SM. I certainly hope those kids will nto return to Aruba to be 'interrogated'. That would be a very bad idea. They could lock those kids up for weeks just because they want to. Look what they did to those security guards all based on the lies of the last three people known to have been with her. The same 3 that have been caught lying again and again. No way my kid goes back down there if I'm one of their parents.


1,589 posted on 07/07/2005 11:11:11 AM PDT by truthluva
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To: rolling_stone
Pardon me, but there have been reports that Natalee met Joran a few days before..

Pardon me, but two days isn't squat. Would you entrust you child with a stranger you met two days prior in a foreign country and had a brief conversation with?

Her parents did say she was naive, so maybe that explains a lot.

Had she been drugged, would that make a difference? How OBVIOUS would it have been to a drugged person?

We don't KNOW that she was drugged. We DO know that she got into a car with 3 strange men, two that she didn't know at all and one that she knew at best from two days prior.

People make mistakes but they are still victims of predators.

Yes, they are, that is why they are advised to be aware and cautious of strangers when in foreign countries. To NOT travel alone. To use good judgment.

1,590 posted on 07/07/2005 11:11:19 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Howlin
Anybody who worries about why she hadn't laid her clothes out to fly back home in has ZERO credibility.

I think LE would have been interested in what preparations Natalee had taken for her return flight if any if they would have been doing their job correctly.

Since it was assumed by some that Natalee was a run-a-way or was hiding out somewhere because she did not want to return home.

1,591 posted on 07/07/2005 11:14:37 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

I have to believe the MB kids parents have been paying attention, and wouldn't send their kids to a system where they have no rights. Not even FBI presence.


1,592 posted on 07/07/2005 11:14:50 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Countyline

No, seriously! I don't see the pentathol as being any more invasive than the little straw they use in breathalizer tests. At least the needles are disposable! How would one know if they breath straw were sanitary? How did they ever make that legal?

Get the little dipstick out here and lemme beeotch-slap him! Wake him up really good and open me up a can of whoopa$$ on da boy! ;o)


1,593 posted on 07/07/2005 11:15:42 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Dark Skies

I have had this feeling since they first took PVDS in for questioning. I noticed that his hair was lighter. When he and Anita did the interview with Greta, he had that Just For Men shoe-polish black stuff. They both looked in a panic, to me.

I think the creep had everything to do with disposing of her. Somewhere I was reading that one of the computers from their home had footage of a 14-yr-old girl in a gangbang. What kind of place is Aruba - isn't that illegal?


1,594 posted on 07/07/2005 11:18:54 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Dolphy
A friend of my parents lost touch with their son for over a year in Costa Rica and were forced to hire a PI firm.

What was the outcome?

1,595 posted on 07/07/2005 11:20:15 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: Ditter

Yeah, obviously I found the thread you ref'd. I hope this box has the answer, too. If she's perished, the very least the family deserves is to lay her properly to rest.

I hope the perps will be doomed to he[[ always for their interfering in the family's ability to grieve and find closure. I'm not sure if I have ever prayed this hard.


1,596 posted on 07/07/2005 11:21:42 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Rippersnapper

Some people had said they couldn't see in the windows of the kalpoes car, didn't see anyone else. Just joran. The girl thought she got in a cab. Go back to the begginning, the info is all there.


1,597 posted on 07/07/2005 11:22:39 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: libsl


Of course they're working together to find Natalee.


1,598 posted on 07/07/2005 11:24:03 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dark Skies

To: Froufrou
What kind of young man leaves a young woman alone on a beach like that?

Or, posed another way, what kind of young woman does a young man like that leave on the beach?

Most likely a dead one.




Or posed another way, what kind of young woman gets in a car with 3 strange men?

Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I wouldn't get in a car OR A TAXI with a bunch of strange men, when I could walk with one of two groups of my fellow students back to the hotel.


1,599 posted on 07/07/2005 11:28:01 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

That's bogus and you know it. Not even worth repeating.


1,600 posted on 07/07/2005 11:28:13 AM PDT by Howlin
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