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To: rolling_stone
Pardon me, but there have been reports that Natalee met Joran a few days before..

Pardon me, but two days isn't squat. Would you entrust you child with a stranger you met two days prior in a foreign country and had a brief conversation with?

Her parents did say she was naive, so maybe that explains a lot.

Had she been drugged, would that make a difference? How OBVIOUS would it have been to a drugged person?

We don't KNOW that she was drugged. We DO know that she got into a car with 3 strange men, two that she didn't know at all and one that she knew at best from two days prior.

People make mistakes but they are still victims of predators.

Yes, they are, that is why they are advised to be aware and cautious of strangers when in foreign countries. To NOT travel alone. To use good judgment.

1,590 posted on 07/07/2005 11:11:19 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Some people had said they couldn't see in the windows of the kalpoes car, didn't see anyone else. Just joran. The girl thought she got in a cab. Go back to the begginning, the info is all there.


1,597 posted on 07/07/2005 11:22:39 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Rippersnapper
...Pardon me, but there have been reports that Natalee met Joran a few days before..

Pardon me, but two days isn't squat. Would you entrust you child with a stranger you met two days prior in a foreign country and had a brief conversation with?

The question is not whether I would entrust my "child" but whether the "child" was making conscious decisions and whether she trusted her ride...Would you trust your child with Bill Clinton, President of the US before you knew of his shenanigans?

All one can do is be careful and trust their instincts, experience and training. Murderers and rapists many times know their victims and put on a good front or use props to aid in their schemes...

Her parents did say she was naive, so maybe that explains a lot.

That's news to me...mom even said she had a talk with her before she left...

....Had she been drugged, would that make a difference? How OBVIOUS would it have been to a drugged person?

We don't KNOW that she was drugged. We DO know that she got into a car with 3 strange men, two that she didn't know at all and one that she knew at best from two days prior.

We don't know all the facts, it is possible she met the other two with Joran at an earlier time. It is likely she was drugged, but we just don't know. A drugged person likely will not have all their faculties to use good judgement. Is that their fault?

People make mistakes but they are still victims of predators.

Yes, they are, that is why they are advised to be aware and cautious of strangers when in foreign countries. To NOT travel alone. To use good judgment

Good judgement does not mean perfect judgement...People don't ask to get raped or murdered, they are victims of predators, most of whom are very adept at what they do to gain confidence of the victim..it happens to careful, educated older people all the time.."confidence men" date rape happens all the time..should we blame the victim? I don't. Look at Jorans parents and friends all saying what a nice guy he is, should we believe them? His father a Justice employee, was a judge in training..where are the red flags? A rapist/murderer can be an angel 99.9% of the time before they go whacko...few people at age 17 have a long track record that is publicly available...

1,605 posted on 07/07/2005 11:33:59 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Rippersnapper
We don't KNOW that she was drugged. We DO know that she got into a car with 3 strange men, two that she didn't know at all and one that she knew at best from two days prior.

We do know the 6'5" SOCIOPATH has bragged about slipping GHB to tourists at school to have sex with them. I saw the site prior to him taking it down the day prior to his being arrested. He is a SOCIOPATH.
1,791 posted on 07/07/2005 7:53:59 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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