Pope Set To Return To Traditional Liturgy

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[Lady In Blue]

Pope set to return to traditional liturgy:-

VATICAN CITY | June 19, 2005 5:11:27 AM IST

Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter's Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.

Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II's master of liturgical ceremonies.

Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter's.

Out will go the international Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II's heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.

Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.

Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

(UPI)

[Salvation]

You can always come back -- is that what your "re-think" is about?

[rwfromkansas]

yeah, it is great when the Church of Christ does all it can to keep the lost in the dark about the Gospel by only telling it in Latin.

[Tax-chick]

I don't know what I think, except that I don't plan to think it until something happens.

[murphE]

why in latin ?

Mass in Latin? why in Latin?

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[te lucis]

He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.

In an age where most Catholics think that what they see on Mother Angelica is the "Latin Mass," this statement is rendered pretty much meaningless. I've heard JP2's funeral described as a "Traditional Mass." It was not. Far from it. Very far. If the Pope is interested in bringing back the Mass of St. Pius V, the so-called "Tridentine" Rite, then let him say so. It would certainly be welcome news. Did he/will he say that? I have quantifiable reservations. In fact, I've seen nothing from this Pope that indicates he's going to take the Church any different direction than that taken by his predecessor, which is further down the drain.

[rwfromkansas]

Yeah, let's screw all those who come off the street searching for God. Let them wallow in their misery for not knowing Latin.

I admire the Orthodox a lot more than the Catholics, and part of the reason is that they believe in having the language of the people being used in their services.

Why you Catholics can't understand such a basic concept that the church of Christ should be able to UNDERSTAND what they are saying is beyond me.

[murphE]

it is great when the Church of Christ does all it can to keep the lost in the dark about the Gospel by only telling it in Latin.

[roll eyes]

C'mon didn't I just say that I had respect for Calvinists on another thread? Don't make me eat my words by blatantly spreading falsehoods.

[rwfromkansas]

And, no language is more holy than another.

You are making Latin an idol by acting as if it is something special.

[Salvation]

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[te lucis]

You are making Latin an idol by acting as if it is something special.

"For the Church, precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time... of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non- vernacular.” (Pope Pius XI, Officiorum Omnium, 1922).

“The use of the Latin language prevailing in a great part of the Church affords at once an imposing sign of unity and an effective safeguard against the corruption of true doctrine.” (Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei, 1947).

“The Catholic Church has a dignity far surpassing that of every merely human society, for it was founded by Christ the Lord. It is altogether fitting, therefore, that the language it uses should be noble, majestic and non-vernacular.” (Pope John XXIII, Veterum Sapientia, 1962).

“The Latin language is assuredly worthy of being defended with great care instead of being scorned; for the Latin Church it is the most abundant source of Christian civilization and the richest treasury of piety... we must not hold in low esteem these traditions of your fathers which were your glory for centuries.” (Pope Paul VI, Sacrificium Laudis, 1966).

Sonds pretty special.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[Dominick]

Any other sources, like say Zenit, reporting this?

No. This is the man who also predicted a Argentine would replace JPII. I would not expect anything from Zenit until next year. I imagine that announcement would be for the following 2007 Liturgical Year.

The 'promotions" and "reassignments" have just begun. This is no stupid man, he knows that he needs to be able to promulgate and enforce reform before starting the actual reform. This expert is stating the very very obvious, but is wishfully thinking as to the nature of the reforms. I expect a lot of the symbolism will be restored, as will the place of elements such as music and the participation of the faithful.

Expect that a lot of infamously disobedient Bishops will get called to the Vatican first, to be assigned important jobs, like a fact finding mission to the Spice Islands, or the Congregation to Study the Feasibility to Study Frozen Waffles. Only after the house has been cleaned, can the new furniture be moved in.

[murphE]

What is even more prophetic are the words of Dom Prosper Gueranger, founder of the Benedictine Congregation of France and first abbot of Solesmes after the French revolution, who wrote in 1840 his Liturgical Institutions in order to restore among the clergy the knowledge and the love for the Roman Liturgy. In his work the anti-liturgical heresy he wrote the following concerning the Latin language and the liturgy and the enemies of the Church:

"Hatred for the Latin language is inborn in the hearts of all the enemies of Rome. They recognize it as the bond among Catholics throughout the universe, as the arsenal of orthodoxy against all the subtleties of the sectarian spirit. . . . The spirit of rebellion which drives them to confide the universal prayer to the idiom of each people, of each province, of each century, has for the rest produced its fruits, and the reformed themselves constantly perceive that the Catholic people, in spite of their Latin prayers, relish better and accomplish with more zeal the duties of the cult than most do the Protestant people. At every hour of the day, divine worship takes place in Catholic churches. The faithful Catholic, who assists, leaves his mother tongue at the door. Apart form the sermons, he hears nothing but mysterious words which, even so, are not heard in the most solemn moment of the Canon of the Mass. Nevertheless, this mystery charms him in such a way that he is not jealous of the lot of the Protestant, even though the ear of the latter doesn't hear a single sound without perceiving its meaning .… . . . We must admit it is a master blow of Protestantism to have declared war on the sacred language. If it should ever succeed in ever destroying it, it would be well on the way to victory. Exposed to profane gaze, like a virgin who has been violated, from that moment on the Liturgy has lost much of its sacred character, and very soon people find that it is not worthwhile putting aside one's work or pleasure in order to go and listen to what is being said in the way one speaks on the marketplace. . . ."

SOURCE

[rwfromkansas]

Screw the commoners and peons.

Here, here.

[Tax-chick]

That would be, "Hear, hear!"

[Tax-chick]

Thank you for that informative post.

[rwfromkansas]

The sacred language?

Where did God appoint Latin some special language?

Since this is a fallen world, and all our languages are a RESULT of that fallenness, Latin is no better than Arabic.

Yes, it is beautiful, but still nothing sacred. It is anything but. You can cuss in Latin just as much as you can in English I am sure.

[Regina]

Sorry, I could not disagree more. JPII was extremely charismatic and an excellent "front man" to represent the RC church to the secular world. But his leadership was SORELY lacking. In my opinion, his refusal to take the leadership role and the replacement of what should have been leadership with "collegiality" is what has been the biggest problem with the RC church during his pontificate. Not a single bishop or cardinal in the Church needed to fear going against genuine Catholic belief or practice because they KNEW there would be no real consequence from the papal "leader".

[te lucis]

Screw the commoners and peons.

That's what you take from the above quotes?

[rwfromkansas]

It is a very arrogant attitude to think there is some sacred language and the rest are filthy in comparison, that those who worship in the only language they know are somehow dishonoring God.

I find it detestable.