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Bush says Cold War captivity one of great wrongs
NY Times ^ | May 7, 2005 | REUTERS

Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem

Filed at 1:34 p.m. ET

RIGA (Reuters) - President Bush denounced Soviet Cold War rule of eastern Europe as ``one of the greatest wrongs of history'' on Saturday in a jab at Moscow two days before celebrations of the 1945 victory over Hitler.

Bush, visiting Latvia before the ceremonies in Moscow marking 60 years since the end of World War II in Europe, also held up the three Baltic states as examples of democratic reform since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

He said the end of the war brought liberty from fascism for many in Germany but meant the ``iron rule of another empire'' for the Baltic states -- Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia -- and nations from Poland to Romania.

Bush admitted the United States shared some responsibility for the Cold War division of Europe after the 1945 Yalta accord between Russia, the United States and Britain.

``Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable,'' he said. ``Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable.

``The captivity of millions in central and eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs of history,'' he said in a speech at Riga's guildhall.

The three Baltic states joined both NATO and the European Union last year.

Bush's visit to Riga has angered Russia by reviving tensions about the Soviet occupation when Moscow is focusing on celebrating the end of World War II, a conflict that cost 27 million Soviet lives.

Russian President Vladimir Putin dismissed calls by the Baltic states for an apology for Soviet rule and accused them on Saturday of trying to cover up past Nazi collaboration.

BUSH MEETS PUTIN

The differing versions of history may make for frictions when Bush meets Putin in Moscow on Sunday and Monday.

Putin insists the Red Army was a liberator, not an oppressor, of Eastern Europe.

``Our people not only defended their homeland, they liberated 11 European countries,'' Putin said on Saturday after laying a wreath at a monument to Russia's war dead.

In a recent state of the nation speech he bemoaned the demise of the Soviet Union as ``the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'' He has also said Washington should not try to export its own brand of democracy.

Bush said Russia's leaders had made ``great progress'' in the past 15 years.

``In the long run it is the strength of Russian democracy that will determine the greatness of Russia and I believe the Russian people value their freedom and will settle for no less,'' he said.

``As we mark a victory of six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox. For much of Germany, defeat led to freedom. For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire.''

He also held up the Baltics as examples of successful shifts to democracy, a theme he stressed for nations including Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Belarus.

``These are extraordinary times that we're living in and the three Baltic countries are capable of helping Russia and other countries in this part of the world see the benefits of what it means to live in a free society,'' Bush told a news conference.

But Bush did not back pleas by the Baltic countries for an apology from Russia. ``My hope is that we are able to move on,'' he said.

He later flew to the Netherlands where he will spend Saturday night.

The presidents of Lithuania and Estonia will boycott the May 9 ceremonies in Moscow. Georgia's president will also stay away, but Latvia's president will attend.

All three Baltic nations, whose combined population is now about 6 million, were occupied by the Soviet Union in June 1940 after a pact between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia which divided up spheres of influence in East Europe.

In 1941, German troops occupied the Baltics and remained there until the end of the war when Soviet troops returned and ruled with an iron fist. The collapse of communism enabled the Baltic states to win their independence in 1991.

Bush also urged free elections in Belarus, which shares borders with Lithuania and Latvia, and ruled out any secret U.S deal with Moscow allowing President Alexander Lukashenko to remain in power. ``We don't make secret deals,'' he said.

Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga wrote in the Washington Post on Saturday: ``Russia would gain immensely by ... expressing its genuine regret for the crimes of the Soviet regime.

``Until Russia does so ... its relations with its immediate neighbors will remain uneasy at best.''

But writing in the French daily Le Figaro, Putin dismissed calls for an apology and accused the Baltic countries of trying to justify their own government's ``discriminatory and reprehensible policy'' toward their Russian-speaking populations.

Police detained about 20 protesters from Latvia's big Russian minority after they hurled smoke bombs in a demonstration against Bush.

``Bush is a horror,'' said protest leader Beness Aija. Posters in another demonstration said: ``Stop the war in Iraq.''

But many Latvians welcome Bush. ``It's important to recognize the struggle that our fathers had against communists and the Soviet Union,'' said Ugis Senbergs, a 50-year-old architect.


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To: Destro; lizol
Getting misfits or starving POWs to join the ethnic SS brigades is not the same thing as being a nation acively allied to the Germans.

All of a sudden comrade destro is full of excuses for the waffen ss. Of course that excuse only applies to Russians, not Balts, Ukrainians, Finns, etc.

261 posted on 05/08/2005 2:54:56 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ms_68

I don't know!!! Give me your figures!==

My figures? SOrry m_68. You made your claim about "700000 poles killed by russians and 2 mlns sent to Subiria".
I ask you to prove your clam. Now you tell me to show YOU MY figures? It is laughable.

DO you know about simple principle of justice. One who made accusasion have to prove it or else he is just slenderman?
Are you petty slenderman mister m_68?


262 posted on 05/08/2005 2:56:50 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

"It is new for me."

Many obvious historic facts are "new" for you. It just proves how brainwashed Russians are.


263 posted on 05/08/2005 3:01:15 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ms_68

I red article in which austrian doctor who did research of mr Yschenko blood told that he is ill with kind of gepatitys.


264 posted on 05/08/2005 3:01:45 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Makes no sense to re-write here what you can read yourself.

Have a "nice" reading

Just a short quote from the first link:

In Moscow an immense plan was drawn and signed by Colonel Serov, Deputy Commissar for Security to deport over a million Polish citizens. It was intended to remove "socially dangerous and anti-Soviet elements". The deportees were to be 'finished off' in prisons, forced labour camps and places of enforced settlements in the northern parts of European Russia and Central Asia where conditions would ensure their liquidation. From winter to June 1941 the NKVD carried out four mass deportations of about 1,500,000 Polish citizens, mostly ethnic Poles.

Polish deportees in the Soviet Union

A Forgotten Odyssey

Exiled to Siberia A Polish Child's WWII Journey
265 posted on 05/08/2005 3:01:50 PM PDT by lizol
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To: RusIvan

So you don't believe that Poles were deported to Siberia ?

How many ? One million, two million ? I'm not sure, but probably somewhere between these two numbers.

Here you have something about it.

http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/

http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/sibir/gehenna.html

You may easily find many other sources.


266 posted on 05/08/2005 3:04:10 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: RusIvan

Read post #247


267 posted on 05/08/2005 3:04:17 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Hmm, that is interesting. Were they regular russians or Cossaks, because I know there were a couple of Cossak units that were on the side of the Nazis and I know there were some Russian auxillaries that the Wehremacht set up but these were supposed to be unofficial as the Nazis and SS considered them subhuman.


268 posted on 05/08/2005 3:05:42 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: RusIvan; All; Chgogal

http://www.polishresistance-ak.org
http://www.polishresistance-ak.org/Str%20Glowna.htm
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor
http://www.rothwell.force9.co.uk/burmaweb/index.htm

I was born in the Polish city of Lwów on September 9, 1921. After high school, I enrolled in the School of Chemistry of Politechnika Lwowska (PL, or Lwów Polytechnic, or Lwów Institute of Technology) just before the WWII, but by the time my classes got underway, WWII has started and the Stalin’s Soviet Army did occupy Lwów. In 1939-41, Stalin was the admirer and ally of Hitler. Together they partitioned Poland in 1939, and Stalin was supplying Germany with strategic materials and food up to June 1941. During the Soviet (1939-1941) occupation,Stalin has annexed Lwów, murdered over 20 000 Polish officers (Katyn massacre), deported about 20 % of Lwowians to Siberia, but the PL remained active. During the Nazi occupation (1941-44), Lwów was added back to the occupied Poland (so called General Gouvernement), 25 Polish Professors were murdered by Nazis but again the PL somehow remained active (with exception of the school year 1941/42), while being renamed as “Technische Fachkurse”. During both occupations practically all the science and technology classes were taught in Polish language by Polish pre-WWII professors and assistants, with nearly pre-WWII programs. Thus, I was able to pass all courses toward the Ch.E. degree and to obtain a semiformal Diploma on March 29, 1944 (followed by my No.12 formal Polish Diploma from the Politechnika Slaska in Gliwice). While studying, I also worked in Weigl’s Institute , where I was breeding lice for the antityphus vaccine, and in-between I was participating in the anti-Soviet and the anti-Nazi Underground. Lwów was my home town with 650 years of Polish history, until the infamous ethnic cleansing of the Polish population in the years 1944-1947, as perpetrated by Stalin. This was done under the Yalta and Potsdam agreements, when the USA and England have abandoned their faithful Polish WWII Ally in favor of the imperial ambitions of Stalin, though at that time USA had already the atomic bomb and could have easily ‘persuaded’ Stalin, who as dictator was often more efficient and cruel than Hitler.

To escape the Soviet-sponsored arrests, murders and deportations to Gulags after the 1944 re-occupation of Lwów, I moved from to the central Poland, and then in April of 1945, I hitchhiked to the deserted Gdansk, just a week after it fell to the advancing armies. All that I had was a knapsack with a big loaf of bread, which had to last for a long time, since Gdansk was still burning and there were only few people and no stores or supplies. A fledgling Administration became organized in Sopot, and I was able to secure a position in the Administration of Gdansk Region (Urz¹d Wojewodzki), in charge of the Food Industry. This allowed me to secure some housing in Sopot (at Goyki Street 10a) and food rations for me and my Family who progressively joined me during the following several weeks. My duties included identification of abandoned food-processing plants in the rather large Gdansk and Pomeranian region, secure them, and find personnel to rebuild and manage them. It was a challenging and dangerous job, as is usual after any war (like it was in American Wild West and is even now in 2003 in Afghanistan and Iraq), especially in the temporarily semi-abandoned post-German “Wild West”. Fortunately, I was assisted by , my younger brother, Stanislaw who moreover, was my armed ‘body guard’.

Already in April 1945, I tried to visit the Politechnika Gdanska (PG) in Gdansk-Wrzeszcz, but it was difficult since the PG grounds where partially occupied by the Soviet Army, who kept horses in the region of partially burned Chemistry Building and amused themselves by shooting at the glass bottles. My dream was to somehow join the PG and try to transfer there the spirit of Lwów and of my PL Alma Mater, where my life as scientist was originally formed. I still believe that there were no better teachers anywhere than those in Lwów! In my high school ( Gimnazium No. 8 ) there were inspiring teachers of chemistry (Turkiewicz), physics (Halaubrenner), biology (Stronski), history (Nanke) and Polish literature (Bronczyk ). At PL Chemistry, my dear professors included Jakób, Sucharda, Pilat, Kuczynski, Lesnianski, Bartel and especially Adolf Joszt, who switched my interest from the traditional chemistry to the genetics of yeasts, industrial fermentation, food processing and biotechnology.

Now that Lwów was annexed by Stalin and Polish population deported, I wanted to transplant my enthusiasm and ‘know-how’ to the PG, including all that I have learned at PL and also from other of my masters at the Jan-Kazimir University(UJK) of Lwów, Professors R. Weigl (typhus vaccine development), Jan Czekanowski (anthropology and genetics) and S.Banach (topology and mathematics of Banach spaces).

Upon the next 1945 visit at PG Chemistry, I noticed that the Soviet soldiers were gone and some new activity had started. I met Wlodzimierz Wawryk, the newly appointed Dean of Chemistry, and I learned that his role and that of Tadeusz Pompowski, a graduate of PL, was to rebuild the School of Chemistry. I immediately offered my help, which was accepted on the spot, since at these difficult times everything was very informal and spontaneous. Shortly after, I was more formally appointed by Wladyslaw Lukasiewicz, the first Rector, to organize the Department of Industrial Fermentation and Food Technology (in short, Biotechnology). In parallel with organizing the Department, I also tried to contact Professor Adolf Joszt for advice because still in Lwów I considered him my Master who had inspired my interest in biotechnology and ‘genetic engineering’. Several months have past before I was able to locate Joszt. By that time he was already deported from Lwów and ‘repatriated’ to Gliwice, where he and his colleagues were organizing the Politechnika Slaska (PS) He graciously agreed to help me and when I visited him in Gliwice, he suggested that I should secure a formal ChE degree, as based on my 1939-44 studies in Lwów. He organized it all in about one day, and on November 23, 1945 I received the ChE degree from the PS.

Through second half of 1945 and 1946 I devoted most of my time and effort to organize “my” Department of Industrial Fermentation and Food Technology, which was located in the former laboratory of the pre-WWII Professor W. Klemm. I acted as a ‘one-person team’ with occasional advice from Professor Joszt, and sometimes with kind help from prospective students and Tadeusz Pompowski, who was my trusted friend, relatively young andenergetic, whereas Dean Wawryk (and later additions, W. Rodziewicz and L. Kamienski) acted more as expected from older Professors with various health problems. First, we had to attend to some menial work of cleaning up the labs of the up to 2-foot layer of broken glass, horse manure, papers, ashes and whatever else. Then we cleaned the badly worn out lab benches; I remember installing gleaming white tiles, since we found, somewhere, a supply of them. Most was done with bare hands and hardly any tools. At the same time, I started to teach my first classes in various aspects of biotechnology as soon as some students arrived, practically from nowhere.

In addition to my first two positions in the Gdansk Region Administration (Urzad Wojewodzki) and PG, I had several other jobs, because on one hand, there was such a shortage of specialists and on the other hand, the income from only one salary was insufficient to survive. With Pompowski, we became ‘experts’ for the Chamber of Commerce (inspection of boats and especially tankers prior to repairs in the Gdansk and Gdynia harbors, and other tasks), Moreover, I was teaching the technology of fish products at the Technical High School in Gdynia, and I was also in charge of the Gdansk branch of the Inspectorate of Standardization, with its office in my Department at PG. The Headquarter of the Inspectorate of Standardization was in Warsaw, headed by Adam Borys, a ChE and the hero of the Warsaw Uprising who was fighting in the famous “Batalion AK Parasol”. While having frequent Standardization meetings, I made many friends including Professor Józef Janicki of Agricultural University in Poznan, Jerzy Pawelkiewicz, later a Professor at Poznan, Professor Krause at the SGGW Warsaw, and Stanislaw Grabiec, Wanda Szczepula, and Zbigniew Jedlinski at PG. The latter, I believe, was my first student in 1945, then replaced me as in charge of the Gdansk branch of the Inspectorate of Standardization when I left Poland, and is like me the D.hc. of PG. We inspected many interesting plants and examined foods destined for export. I vividly remember one particular case when a British importer returned several large cans of frozen eggs because of the musty odor. It was decided that representatives of several agencies would take samples for bacteriological analyses. I also decided to examine these frozen eggs by plating samples on nutrient agar, and placing the plates in a 37°C incubator, while leaving some at room temperature. Only at room temperature, my plates developed nice green fluorescent colonies with a pronounced musty odor, but nothing grew at 37°C. When all the official participants met one or two days later to discuss the results, there appeared to be a unanimous opinion that the frozen eggs were sterile. I asked at what temperature was the test done and the answer of all the experts was that: “of course at 37°C”! Then, I showed my room temperature (and 37°C) plates, to a general consternation. As epilogue, we published a note about it, first in Gdansk [Grabiec, S., Szybalski, W., and Tuszynski, W. Studies on the Microflora of Musty Eggs. Bull. Inst. Marine & Tropical Med., Med. Acad. Gdansk, 2: 227-230, 1949] and later, after I had systematically compared various musty odor-producing bacteria, I named our strain Pseudomonas perolens var. Gdansk and published the results as my first paper in the prestigious journal “Nature” [Szybalski, W., A comparative study of bacteria causing mustiness in eggs. Nature 165 (1950) 733-734].

In Summer 1946, most of the students and their teachers from the PG Chemistry (and also from Warsaw and Lodz) were generously invited by the famous Danish Professor Bohr to study for 2 months in Copenhagen. We all traveled by a Danish boat from Gdynia. It was a paradise for all of us to visit a Western country after nearly 7 years of WWII and post-WWII subjugation and isolation. Many students did not return, whereas I did return but only after establishing several wonderful scientific friendships and collaborative arrangements, with much prospective travel between Gdansk and Copenhagen. The Danes were superb in their hospitality, but any references to this marvelous experience seem to be absent from the history of PG, even now.

From the 1945 beginnings, I was in charge of ‘my’ Department of Industrial Fermentation and Food Technology, although I realized that this should be only temporary, since I did not even have a Doctor’s degree. In 1946, I was 25 years old and I abhorred to become an administrator. To my relief, it was somewhere decided that the famous Professor Ernest Sym would join the PG and become the Chair. He arrived in October 1946 with two collaborators, Stas Grabiec, a very young scientist, who became my very dear friend, and Dr. Jadwiga Rosinska, who later emigrated, married Prof. Decombe and directed the Department of Biochemistry in Dijon, France. I was pleased about Sym’s arrival, because this should have freed me of administrative duties while leaving more time for research and travel. Moreover, Sym offered me the opportunity for study toward the Doctor’s degree, while suggesting two alternative subjects for my Thesis research: (1) a study of enzymatic reactions in organic solvents, or (2) developing suitable instrumentation for the study of the total metabolism of tubercle bacilli. I selected the second subject, because as an engineer I enjoyed tinkering and developing new instrumentation and methods. Only sometimes later did I realize that Sym’s contributions to enzymology were monumental, since he was the first to show that enzymatic reactions can proceed not only in aqueous solutions but also in the organic solvents. He proudly told me that lipases do work even at –30 C, because organic solvents used by him did not freeze. Nowadays, several industrial processes are based on Sym’s iconoclastic discoveries that were far ahead of their time (TibTech 17 [1999] pp. 343 – 4).

Sym was dividing his time between the Institute of Marine and Tropical Medicine, where he was doing a full time research on the total metabolism of tubercle bacilli, and the PG, where he was spending only little time, while rather heavily depending on our help. Stas Grabiec has recently reminded me that while substituting for Sym as lecturer, I made him to conduct the practical laboratory exercises. After about 3 years in Gdansk (interrupted by 8 months of research in Copenhagen, in 1947, and some more, which travels were quite unusual at that time especially at my age), I passed my D. Sc. Examinations on April 4, 1949, with Sym presiding. I was one of two first post-WWII Doctors of Science in Chemistry at the PG. One day after obtaining my D.Sc. degree, I returned to Copenhagen to continue and complete my research on the microbiological corrosion of the iron water pipes. In August of 1949 I took a chance to visit Gdansk for the last time, as to attend the Meeting of The Polish Microbiological Society. During this week my parents have organized a very festive farewell dinner attended, among others by Professor R. Weigl. I did not realize then that it would be for the last time that I have seen my father and Professor Weigl, whose Institute saved the life of our entire family during the Soviet and Nazi occupations of Lwów.

Soon after I returned to Denmark to complete my research, I received a letter of dismissal from PG. Since this allowed me to emigrate, without endangering my family in Sopot, I decided to apply for the USA visa. I become more than apprehensive about the Cold War in Europe, including the Stalinist reprisals in Poland. Moreover, I was influenced by the wise advise of the brave Polish Envoy in Copenhagen, together with a tempting offer from the Cold Spring Laboratories, the world hub, then and now, of the molecular genetic research. I received the USA immigration visa in less then a week (although I was first told that it would take10 years). At beginning of the Winter of 1949/50, I traveled and lectured through Delft, Brussels, Paris, Oxford and Cambridge, boarded “Queen Elizabeth” in Southampton and reached New York early in January, as a new immigrant from Poland.

I ascribe all my scientific achievements in the West mainly to the inspiring and wise educators in Lwów and Gdansk, and the rest, as one says, “is history” , which is summarized ‘here and there’, including “Genetics” 158 (2001) pp. 1-6; “Pismo PG” No. 8 (2001) pp. 12 – 16; and in my WEB sites:

http://www.lwow.home.pl/szybalski.htm

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/1944.html
http://www.thornb2b.co.uk/Poland_at_War

http://www.polandsholocaust.org/1917-1938.html
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/poland.htm
http://felsztyn.tripod.com/id15.html


270 posted on 05/08/2005 3:13:52 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Omnia vincit amor; et nos cedamus amori -O sancta simplicitas!)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Judas, your EU masters:

The future EU stabilization force, are you already enlisted?

Judas, will you help your masters put up these posters in Warsaw?

But what's really pathetic is that Judas, you sold your soul and your homeland to the people that did this to Warsaw:

272 posted on 05/08/2005 3:17:51 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6
I don't know much more about this, than I posted.

Something more, if you like:

RONA – Russian National Liberation Army (Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya)

Russian Volunteers in the German Wehrmacht in WWII

Bronislav Kaminski and the RONA
273 posted on 05/08/2005 3:18:31 PM PDT by lizol
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To: ms_68; Grzegorz 246

Thank you for your URLs. I will check this sources with historian on russian military-historian forum. www.vif2ne.ru.

We have on forum many people from many countries. One or two from Poland but I don't remember that they rose such question with 2 mlns(!) displaced poles in 1939-40. It is huge number. Someone has to knew something.

BTW I met in Sibiria western ukranians, germans, tatars, litvinians and so on but they all was soviet citizens.
But no poles. Only related to poles I met was decendants of those exiled polish rebels of polish rebellions against czar in 19 century.


274 posted on 05/08/2005 3:20:25 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: ms_68

And tens of others claim it was dioxine poison, including those who have proven that by ultra modern equipment. This time you ridicule youself saying such stupid things.==

Could you please give me sources of those claims please. I wnat to check.


275 posted on 05/08/2005 3:22:25 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: ms_68; Destro
Yeah, right. I guess the Cossaks didn't see you as soooo benign.

1648-1654 Khmelnitsky Uprising in Ukraine

There was already unrest in Ukraine because of Poland-Lithuania's attempt to control the Cossacks with laws and regulations. The Cossacks had led minor rebellions in the late 15th century, leading to the development of the Polish heavy cavalry, the famous Hussars. (See more on Hussars.) The Cossacks' main goal was independence for Ukraine (or at least more autonomy from Poland-Lithuania). They made it clear that it was not against King Ladislaus* IV, who was well-liked in Ukraine.

The Khmelnitsky* Uprising was the largest uprising the Cossacks launched to date and lasted six years. Cossack rebellions would flare up in Ukraine for the next 147 years, until 1795 and the partition of Poland-Lithuania

276 posted on 05/08/2005 3:27:11 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: RusIvan

Thank you my husband do will write
"I have posted links for you, some of them are in polish, and others are in English. I hope this is fine with you."
Thank you


277 posted on 05/08/2005 3:27:36 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Omnia vincit amor; et nos cedamus amori -O sancta simplicitas!)
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To: Grzegorz 246; ms_68; All; jb6; RusIvan; Destro; GarySpFc; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ...

Thank you all

"Knock it off would you please grzegorz246, jb6, RusIvan, ms_68. Take a deep breath of fresh air and relax would you please. I know each of you have different point of you, but knock it off from personal attacks. Let’s have rational adult conversation."


278 posted on 05/08/2005 3:38:50 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Omnia vincit amor; et nos cedamus amori -O sancta simplicitas!)
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To: RusIvan
I don't know If 2 million is correct, maybe It was "only" one million. I think that numbers are different in different sources, because once there are only people deported in 39-41, in other sources those deported in 39-53, also sometimes they include only ethnic Poles, sometimes everyone who was a Polish citizen before 39.
279 posted on 05/08/2005 3:56:51 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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