Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Ella, it was a 10 minute segment. Abrams was incredulous. And said it was sick. Which it is.
I wonder how they got a camera in there?
Maybe this was all done completely according to law.
But it stinks. Michael Schiavo should not be making decisions for Terri Schiavo, when he has so clearly set on a path in life that cannot include her.
The finding of PVS is suspect. I find it very difficult to take the word of a doctor who has a long record of advocacy for euthanasia.
The finding that she wants to die, though, is the worst of them all. There's only a long-after-the-fact testimony of the compromised husband and two of his close relatives to testify to this. There does not appear to have been any attempt at all to ascertain what she really wants. Nobody asked her, and the refusal of rehabilitation for her, despite the million-plus awarded for that purpose, seems intended to make sure she couldn't express her wishes.
The use of money awarded by the court for her medical care but instead went toward hiring a lawyer to get her killed is intuitively revolting to me. The swiftness of the change from the testimony that he would care for her forever, to denying rehab and posting a DNR order is disturbing and destructive to the husband's credibility, in my eyes.
The refusal of the federal judiciary to issue a stay so that they could fulfill the law's clear intent of a de novo review is infuriating. I am somewhat less disturbed knowing at least one judge, Judge Wilson, was able to see that and express it on the record.
I simply cannot resolve all these things and come to the conclusion that what is happening here is okay. Some of the suggestions I've made haven't been good ones at all; I'm no legal expert, and some of what I've suggested might be a good idea has turned out on inspection to do the opposite of my intent.
But the injustice here is so deep that I feel a great yearning to know the truth, and to see something done to correct it, and to see that more people do not fall victim to it.
Please see post 843.
He said he quit, but he kept coming back. If he had quit, I don't think the Admin moderataro would have given him a time out. We can always use a good opus - usually makes for a fun thread.
Uh huh.
It's so much less sick if they only sometimes ask for $100 but will give it away if you don't have the money.
I reported it the way it was reported on MSNBC; if you have issues with that, take it up with them.
And I'm quite surprised that no other freeper commented on this last night, if indeed it was as you reported on FNC.
How is being willing to discuss things reasonably being 'Good Germans'? Why is respect for the law and the Constitution suddenly disdainful? Because we're losing? The courts didn't rule the way we wanted, so to hell with the law?
You and I might not like her due process, but according to the law, she got it.
Innocent people die in Iraq, and many American's didn't support our going in there. They felt it was immoral, illegal, and wrong. Are they all 'Good Germans' too, for not taking up arms against our government?
Post an article if you can find one. This is an outrage too. Opportunists all around.
I already read your post 43.
Let me say this again. Her husband has the legal authority to make decisions for her. That's the law.
You might not like his decision, but legally it is his to make.
That's an excellent question. I thought that they were being strip searched (or nearly so) before being allowed in to prevent water smuggling.
And they weren't selling the video. They were trying to raise money to mount a legal defense against a well-financed right-to-die lobby that was trying to murder their daughter. The video was their proof that Terri wasn't the vegetable they claimed she was.
But go ahead and trash the Schindlers...
Another freeper is reporting it was on Greta's show last night but that she reported if you can't afford the $100, that you will be given a video anyway. Lovely, huh?
I'm rather surprised we haven't seen articles galore about this, especially if it WAS really reported on FNC last night. But of course, it would show the Schindlers in a very bad light and we can't have that!
A legal guardian has authority to make decisions about a ward's health care including decisions on surgery, dental care and, yes, end of life care and burial.
A court must discern the intent of a ward that has not express their wishes on end of life care. Under Florida law, a feeding tube constitutes an extraordinary measure. The court determined that Terri did not want extraordinary measures.
Given all of that, I do not see anything that would constitute a conspiracy of death merchants. The matter was reviewed over the years and subjected to appeal on numerous occasions. The state and the feds took great pains to intervene. I do not see anything approaching National Socialism. In fact, I think the reaction of our institutions suggests the opposite.
A legal guardian has authority to make decisions about a ward's health care including decisions on surgery, dental care and, yes, end of life care and burial.
A court must discern the intent of a ward that has not express their wishes on end of life care. Under Florida law, a feeding tube constitutes an extraordinary measure. The court determined that Terri did not want extraordinary measures.
Given all of that, I do not see anything that would constitute a conspiracy of death merchants. The matter was reviewed over the years and subjected to appeal on numerous occasions. The state and the feds took great pains to intervene. I do not see anything approaching National Socialism. In fact, I think the reaction of our institutions suggests the opposite.
Oh, I agree with you 100%. And you said it very well and I thank you.
Aye aye. I'd like to engage those who will be reasonable in discussion, if possible, since that should be what we're about. If they won't be, then I'll smile, quote relevant passage, and move on.
Who is trashing? I'm reporting the facts as reported on MSNBC.
But go ahead and make up your own facts. LOL
As I understand it , it's an OLD video. Also, not at all clear that the Shindlers know about it as it was described as a "group" selling the video.
However, combined with the fact that they are selling the mailing list of donors, it smacks of lacking common sense.
Did you ping the Admin Moderator?
And, btw, they are SELLING the video. For $100. Unless Dan Abrams on MSNBC is lying.
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