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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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To: mhking
No, you're just completely wrong here. This is not rocket science folks. If you wanted to prove a point that just because you are a dog lover, that doesn't automatically make you a good person, would you post a picture of:

A) Mother Teresa

B) Adolf Hitler

Most would agree the answer is B. Then again, I could post your picture, since you claim to have been called a Nazi 1000 times in the last two weeks most would understand the point. :)

4,721 posted on 04/04/2005 8:49:37 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: All
What I find most amusing are those in this thread who have open hostility towards religious people and religion, and yet also claim to be such champions of the Constitution. The founding fathers said essentially that that combination was totally 'NUTS', it would not work. Maybe some here think they are smarter than the founders, or understand the Constitution better.

They predicted the morass we have today and saw throughout the Schiavo case.

George Washington - "..And let us indulge with caution the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion... Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle."

John Adams - "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

James Madison - "We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."

Noah Webster - "No truth is more evident to any mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

4,722 posted on 04/04/2005 8:55:02 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: Long Cut

Sign me up - I just read this and agree with everything you've said!


4,723 posted on 04/04/2005 9:05:16 PM PDT by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: All
Well I'm caught up. Gee I haven't paid this much attention to FR in years. Glad this is over.

Read Long Cuts' Opus. Good one. If I valued FR like he obviously did ( how can a married person with a wife and kid who has gone through what he has in his personal life find enough time to be as involved in a chat board as he was? He needed to get away from here.) I'd do as he did.

Caught JR's 'editorial'. Now I know why the unprecedented nuclear attacks were allowed to continue unabated and the moderators were so one sided. The Pro Life movement runs this website. At least in spirit. It would not have mattered if Terri had wanted to die. Such freedom must not be allowed. God alone dictates the very minute and manner of death. No amount of human suffering is too much. Self determination of ones dying minute is not allowed.

This concept is more important than any and all aspects of the conservative movement. It stands above the movement itself ... for alienating one third of the members of that movement while providing nuclear arms to the political opposition in the process is NOT too great a price to pay. This is extremism in action.
4,724 posted on 04/04/2005 9:49:51 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: MrDem
If you wanted to prove a point that just because you are a dog lover, that doesn't automatically make you a good person, would you post a picture of...

Hey, here's a wacky idea - how about if you don't post any comparative picture, and just go find evidence of that person doing bad things? That way, you can prove the point you're trying to make, that the person in question is a bad person, and you can do it with some modicum of intellectual integrity. I know, I know - you have to, like, work to make your case if you do it that way, and it's certainly harder than just making some sort of goofy off-the-wall smear by comparing that person to Hitler, but it really does the job, and it doesn't make you look like a nut in the process. Whaddaya say? Could be it's just crazy enough to work...

4,726 posted on 04/04/2005 9:56:57 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: mercy

I agree. I also think my post #4426 and the answers in posts #4427 and #4428 answered alot of questions too.


4,727 posted on 04/04/2005 10:12:21 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: mercyme

You may be right but I don't want to speculate. We can never truly know what peoples' motivations are unless we know them personally. And sometimes not even then. We can, of course, project our own feelings onto them and hope that's how they feel. I hope that what you believe about them is true. I can tell that is how you would feel. But I just can't discuss this any more. I'm not being rude. I guess I'm just very tired and weary. Good night and God bless.


4,728 posted on 04/04/2005 10:21:24 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: mercy

Wanting to dehydrate a person unto death without a rehearing is extremism in action.


4,729 posted on 04/04/2005 10:24:21 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Jim Robinson

Me too! It would have done a lot of good. I was hoping ole Jesse Jackson would try it....would they have tazered him?

This would have been so satisfying on many levels, eh?!


4,730 posted on 04/04/2005 10:40:24 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Is prayer your spare tire, or your steering wheel?)
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To: mountaineer
but it may have destroyed FR.

From one old timer(lurked since LD Brown spoke at the March for Justice on CSPAN) to another - FR will survive. There may be some changes in the posters, but it'll survive. It survived Elian. It survived 2000(And I was a 3rd party leaner until I got my absentee ballot and voted with the NRA). It even survived losing its top enemy in Bill Clinton. It's even survived cases of "office politics", which is the meanest type of politics I've ever been a part of(with a different org). It'll certainly survive the departure and posts of a few drama queens with the Nazi BS smears from many on one side and religious bigotry by some on the other.

A month, two months from now, this story will die down, and things will get back to normal slowly, until salvos fired off with the next big issue arrives, as these things happen until it's election season when FR peaks.

Some will stay, and some will leave, but FR will still be there.

4,731 posted on 04/04/2005 10:41:27 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Mama, take this judgeship off of Greer, he can't use it, anymore")
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To: unbalanced but fair

Did they ever!


4,732 posted on 04/04/2005 11:16:30 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: FreedomSurge

I tell you what. I'll meet you in heaven and we'll go ask God. What is worse Lord? Killing a woman in a persistent vegetative state when you know no human being would want to live that way .... year after year after year after year OR ... Keeping her in that state for political purposes?


4,733 posted on 04/04/2005 11:22:53 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: mercy

Too many incorrect assumptions in your post to unpack tonight.


4,734 posted on 04/04/2005 11:31:44 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: FreedomSurge

Yeah right. Spare me.


4,735 posted on 04/04/2005 11:56:18 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: general_re
and just go find evidence of that person doing bad things?

The evidence is all of the rulings against Terri Shiavo's family and interests.

You attempt at being witty bombed big time!

4,736 posted on 04/05/2005 4:00:47 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: mercy
The Pro Life movement runs this website.

Did you just come out of a coma? You just realized that? WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IN THIS STATEMENT?

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America.

4,737 posted on 04/05/2005 4:06:05 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: mercy
I'll meet you in heaven and we'll go ask God. What is worse Lord? Killing a woman in a persistent vegetative state when you know no human being would want to live that way .... year after year after year after year OR ... Keeping her in that state for political purposes?

And what if God's response is this:

"She wasn't in a persistent vegetative state. She did want to be healed someday. She did hope she would be. You judged wrongly. You should have erred on the side of life so you would not be in the position you are now. Bye, bye! ZAP!

The ultimate ZAP!

4,738 posted on 04/05/2005 4:12:07 AM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: general_re
Based upon the evidence of his posting of Hitler graphics elsewhere in the forum...based upon the screeds comparing Judge Greer to Nazis...he's basically FOS.

IMO it was a conscious effort to find and post Hitler with the labrador retriever.

4,739 posted on 04/05/2005 5:23:32 AM PDT by DCPatriot (Charter member in the WPPFF and Class of 98.)
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To: MEG33

LOL


4,740 posted on 04/05/2005 5:24:46 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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