Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Don't be modest! lol It was spot-on and perfectly pithy.
Thank you!
Nor the small philosophic matter of the parallels between Judge Greer 'just following the Law' and Eichmann claim to the same.
Nor will they discuss the clear Judicial Activism in this case.
Yeah, speaking of judicial activism, how, I wonder, did that perennial concern just totally disappear from the minds of the rational, the logical, and the sane?
Getting rid of judicial activism is a start, maybe term limits. The root cause of all this is the judicial branch. They lawyer from the bench.
The GOP is laying low and playing CYA...The RATs are letting us self destruct. Meanwhile much of what we see on TV today will be recycled as evidence of GOP "extremism" by the RATS during campaign ads in '06.
Very good...
but when taken as a whole it is a license to reject out of hand anything one doesn't agree with by assigning to the opposing argument one of the labels in the text as unacceptable, or alternatively, claiming it is opposed to one of the labels in the acceptable column.
That doesn't follow. If Items A, B and C taken separately are reasonable, then A, B and C together are likewise reasonable. You are rejecting them "taken as a whole" because of your feeling that the intention is to dismiss opposing arguments out of hand.
If you want to avoid having your arguments dismissed, then stick to the facts and present your views without name-calling, personal attacks, impugning the motives and positions of those who disagree with you, etc. Really, asking for civil discourse shouldn't be so objectionable.
Why doesn't anyone want a fact-based discussion of the parallels to the T-4 program? Don't I have any takers for a rational, logical comparison of two systems under which a government has put citizens to death by means of starvation?
I'm sure you could present a well thought-out comparison between them. If you stick with the facts and avoid calling people "pro-death" or "nazis".
Does anyone have a clip of the Randall Terry remarks the other day about a theocracy? You know the one I mean. Where he basically raved like a madman on public television outside the Hospice?
If you would read the articles I posted, you wouldn't make that comment so lightly. Doctors such as Cranford and his ilk clearly support starvation for Alzheimer's patients. It's the old slippery slope.
THis has nothing to do with nazism, leftism, or any other ism... Ya know what this whole fiasco is about? I'll tell.
I'm going to blunt, honest, straightforward with my opinion here, and feel free to spread it around whether you agree with it, or it offends you, but here goes - a lack of family values. Period. Now, I'll tell you what makes me feel that way:
This case is about two sides of a family, arguing over money - As soon as the lawsuit payouts occurred, both the Schindlers and the Schiavo families had a falling out. Lies, falsehoods, smears, disagreements, and a lack of family cohesiveness all occurred because of money. Each side is making claims about the other, and 99% of what people are treating as fact are complete "They said/They said" stuff, without any real documentation.
Screw Michael Schiavo, and screw the Schindlers - because of all of them, a poor woman, whom both sides profess so much love for, has been suffering for 15 f***ing years, because of a family that can't see past the money. All because of a lack of family values, and the sin of Greed.
Now, because of this family fued, which the courts in my opinion tried to deal with to the best of their ability, and within the law - however bad the law may be, and maybe it needs changing - we have had every single branch of government at the state AND federal level involved, when it never should have been. Because of a lack of family values, and the sin of greed.
So screw them all. The only one who should matter is Terri, but instead the poor woman has to suffer while everyone who claims to love her argues over "who's right"...
This has nothing to do with Nazism, and everything to do with a breakdown of family values and morals.
That's my opinion, and if no one else likes it, they can call me all the names they want. I just don't give a s**t anymore. So be it.
Uh...Michael Schiavo while living with the Schindlers was very aggressive in treating his wife with the hopes of improving her state.
He did this for THREE YEARS! Then he was awakened to the reality that she was gone for good.
Schindlers encouraged him to date.
Why should a husband or wife choose to remain celibate in such an environment?
You are being entirely too harsh on Michael Schiavo for starting a family and a relationship after such a trying and stressful period (3 years)
Just my opinion. Thanks for listening.
the Federal Court did not review it. They basically ignored it. The Decision said as much. and the Majority had to footnote their opinion explaining why common sense and logic applied in the dissent didnt really matter.
The Legislation required a De Novo review. That means New, from scratch to you and me Rusty, that didnt happen here now did it?
No New Medical testimony, no nothing...Common sense dictates at least that much. We are talking about the death of someone, yet neither court could be troubled to do its own fact finding, instead saying"we can only go by the letter of the law(I guess thy never heard of court appointed experts).
Well, as I pointed out, that was Eichmanns defense as well.
Can you summarize what he said? (This oughta be interesting!)
Good ole Randall doesn't care if he has child molesters working for his cause.
Just wait...you'll see them a-plenty in Democrat ads during the next two election cycles.
That has been a perpetual problem. Watch the judgeship elections more carefully, check out how an incumbent judge has ruled in the past, watch who contributes to whom. I personally don't like the "non-partisan" type elections for certain positions, and would work on that, cause I think you get more honesty if you are up front about stuff like that.
Amen.
Holy cow! Almost 6000 posts!!
I've started on a new project and haven't had a whole lot of time to FReep lately. When I have been here I can't even believe what I am seeing. This is like a different place lately.
Bravo.
I'm not going to summarize it. I'm going to wait until someone provides the clip of what he said. He says it so much more ugly than any of us could ever portray.
Bless you.
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