Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Terry Opens her eyes
http://web.Tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm
remember they said she could not hear and always was that way from the beganning!
Go haunt the Terri threads. You'll feel more at home.
THAT IS PRICELESS! Reminds me a a little two-year old covering their eyes saying 'You can't see me'.
Well, according to your lunatic rule, I can't see you, and that 'proves', you don't exist. LOL!
I think it's time for Pan_Yan to get his wife off the computer.
This video was done by the quack Dr. William Hammesfahr
Terry Opens her eyes
http://web.Tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm
remember they said she could not hear and always was that way from the beganning!
I understand that...I don't deny the PVS. I come to it from a Catholic ethical sense and say, even though Terri is extremely brain damaged, her whole being deserves respect, and that respect includes acknowledging the fact that she is living and breathing.
Different world view. But it's ok...Deciding what to do in these situations is always hard....I'm just a natural born hair splitter.
That wasn't for you. Sorry.
Well I did SEE this, and can't find where it says he was abusive, and this is from testimony. Do you have anything to augment this, perchance?
What if she could hear, despite the fact that she could not feel pain or emotion? What level of cognitive ability other than complete and total loss suffices to end life?
I saw that tape and in my unprofessional medical opinion it looked like she had some cognitive recognition of what she was being asked to do. I'll have to ask some of the doctors in my family whether they think that clip evidences cognitive ability or not. Might just be some type of reflexive response, but the clip didn't provide evidence of that to me.
I'm in the camp of applying new medical standards as they develop before a legal order is issued to remove a tube. I'd hate to think that someone who was once declared PVS under older medical standards really wasn't PVS when the order to remove the tube was issued.
What does that have to do with Michael?
Kindly ping him, when you speak of him.
What I saw was someone who hear a command and was struggling trying to do what was asked and did and was very please expression on her face when she did......it was sometime after that video Michael closed the door to her having anymore test!
This quack Dr. William Hammesfahr felt he could help her in rehab.....but today I realized there is the
BioEthic word and the traditional America word.....this is where the confusion comes into play same way with the Judge you must meet the standard of Global Ethic speak!
Dr. William Hammesfahr is label a quack because he does not fit the Bioethic mode!
I don't understand you question?
My error, I thought you were replying to my earlier post.
This:
How far are we then from offing people who CAN speak for themselves and insist that they wish to live?
Not far at all.
Seems no one else wanted to...I understand math the is difficult for some.
What math?
God bless and good night. I am on the east coast and have to get a little sleep to be at least marginally coherent at work tomorrow.
I did the math...where's the additional money come from?
Should we remove the tax excempt status of Church's?
Universal health care?
This was the post I directed you to.
If analogies, metaphors, comparisons and other characterisations about that phenomena are troubling for you I will be sensitive to your pain and refrain from making any.
I will leave it to you to frame an appropriate Politically Correct characterisation for what it is to be a nation that finds that to be a legal, correct and unchangeable decision.
Interesting that there has been little response to this. So I'll just add my own BTTT!
thank you Restie
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