Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Ah yes, love Harlan Ellison though I didn't identify with references. The only author I know to do that (other than the multiple references to Hawaii where we live now) is Baldacci, who made several references to the tiny ville we occupied for 6 years, Stanardsville, VA. He even spelled it right (no D after the N).
I hope I don't get flamed for saying this but Carl Hiaasen is a knee-slapper as well (his fiction, such as Sick Puppy, not his columns)
At this point I feel so much has taken place and if she leaves now she did fulfill a good purpose made the Nation aware of the serious situation we are in and to pay attention.
When my husband was dying I keep getting mixed messages and was burn out today I see on the net what kind of hospital my husband was in...today he is with the Lord and like he would say you can't cry over split milk!
I WAS NOT AWARE MY HUSBAND DIED IN Beth Israel Medical Center, New York, NY
The National Consensus Project (NCP), comprised of
· American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine (AAHPM)
· Center to Advance Palliative Care (CAPC)
· Hospice and Palliative Nurses Association (HPNA)
· Last Acts Partnership
· National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization (NHPCO),
announces in a press release the publication of Clinical Practice Guidelines for Quality Palliative Care. These guidelines are to be the standard for palliative care services across the country. The guidelines acknowledge the support of
· Beth Israel Medical Center, New York, NY
· City of Hope National Medical Center
· Harvard Medical School Center for Palliative Care
· The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast
· Massachusetts General Hospital
· Hertzberg Palliative Care Institute, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
· National Hospice Work Group
· National Institutes of Health, Warren Grant Magnuson Clinical Center
· New York University, Steinhardt School of Education, Division of Nursing
· Palliative Care Center and Hospice of the North Shore
· San Diego Hospice and Palliative Care
· University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
· Vitas HealthCare
In an effort to define palliative care, the manual provides a diagram similar to the following diagram. The guidelines position palliative care opposite life-saving therapy, as shown here: http://home.earthlink.net/~joyinlife/
Two Decades to an American Culture of Death
How a handful of progressive foundations and quasi-government agencies
set out to provide equitable distribution of health care,
and in the process,
created a duty to die and a culture of death.
And how they hope to secure their legacy . . .
Featuring the collaboration of:
the Hastings Center, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF),
George Soros's Project on Death in America (PDIA), Institute of Medicine (IOM),
AARP, Choice in Dying, and a number of prestigious universities,
to name only a few.
I admire folks like you that can navigate the currents here on FR and allow themselves to be used by the Holly Spirit. We each have our callings I guess.
Posting on FR immediately brings out the curmudgeon in me, although he's never far from the surface.
You really ARE doing a good work here. It is obviously God's spirit working in you as well. OR ...you are naturally gifted as the sweetest person on earth.
I don't want to bum you out but your missgivings about the upshot of the TS situation on the pro life cause, the conservative movement and America are quite accurate in my estimation. It's even worse though. This has opened a bleeding wound in The Body of Christ.
I really believe this. Although I am 'mostly' Calvinist and see 'predistination' as simply the way things are ... It IS biblical that WE are the harvesters and our job is important.
'The lost' are very media oriented these days. They look at the circus in Floridah and run backwards from these 'Christians'. That's one problem.
The other problem is what it is doing to many ... 'more mature' members of the body. I knew the love would grow cold in these End Times but I was not prepared for virulent hatred.
If I grow any more isolated I'll have to do it on an uninhabited planet.
Here's the sequence:
2,5,11,23,47
The next number is 95, which is a composite. (The proof of which is left as an exercise).
You are a goddess.
Ditto
Thank you for your comments, mercy. I can assure you however, I am not the sweetest person even living in my own house, let alone on FR. LOL
But on that sweet note, I think I'll retire for the evening. Be well.
Well, I am not sure I would always agree that medicine and science resent the fact that they know only so much...I certainly agree, that some doctors and some scientists can be sanctimonious, and act as if their knowledge is superior, that they have all the answers...
On the other hand, I have known many wonderful doctors, most of who treated my older boy when he had leukemia...my son had a very rare and usually fatal type of leukemia...and the chemo drugs he had were nearly enough to kill him...and the side effects and complications he endured were horrendous...
His onocologist told me, that in all his years of treating childen with leukemia, my sons medical course, his complications, what he endured, were the 2nd worst he had even seen...
My son, aged 15, had asked the doctor if he was the worst case he ever had, which is what the doctor was responding to...my son did not realize at the time, how bad off he was...then the doctor told him, that there were so many times, that he was close to death, and that he, the doctor, would not have bet a nickel that my son would have pulled through...but time after time he did pull through...
And this doctor was positively delighted...in spite of warning us, when my son was failing, that we had better prepare for his death within a few hours, still that doc was delighted that he was wrong...
When my son did die, that same doctor, just looked at me, with tears in his eyes, and said, "You know, Mike walked that fine line between life and death so often, and he always fell over that line into life..this time he fell over that line into death...
So yes, as with everything else in life, some doctors play God, and resent it when things dont work out the way they said they would...and there are other wonderful doctors, who are delighted to be wrong, when it means their patient will live...
Oh, I've read all of Hiassen's. Environmentalist or not, he's hilarious! I keep holding out hopes he'll have a turnaround like Michael Crichton.
BTW I read somewhere that the BBC is talking about doing a Discworld series.
Come on, Chad, quit feeding the troll!
BTW, I wonder how many people here on Free Republic were more liberal when they were younger and more foolish. I certainly was not as conservative as I am now!
I think that you did what you thought was best, and nothing should change that...you loved your husband, he died, he has gone on, and you have to live with that...rethinking what happened while he was dying, or where he was dying, is not good for you, at least that is my thought...
What is important, is that you did all that you could, the best that you could...
Sure hope they do - it would be great.
Thank you I liket to get the DVD I don't think my eyes can read so much now!
NOBODY is born a conservative. My wife swears she always was but I know it is because she was just born mean.
I agree with you about this...when I was young, I was much more liberal, as was husband...my son looks at us both, and says, "I know you both were hippies, I just know it"...
There are so many levels from the body breaking down vision, hearing, walking etc he really wanted to will him self gone!
So in a way I am thankful he did not suffer as Terri here they stop her water and food, at least he just slip away with comfort!
Yeah, it's hard to explain what Hitchhiker's Guide is "about". I'm sure my summation isn't going to entice too many people to read it.
Thanks. I haven't done proofs since I was in high school, and I wouldn't even know how to begin at this point in my life, so, I'll just take your word for it. :)
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