Posted on 02/06/2005 12:53:43 PM PST by anotherview
Chosen means those who choose to answer. That is what I believe. And who are you to say otherwise? Some fanatical extremist? Give me a break!
You told me that you did not care if you offended me. I ask you in return to tell me why I should care what you think. You have yet to respond. That is hypocricy in my boodk - the opposite of spirituality. Are you a fraud?
Don't be so arrogant as to think that Jews have a monopoly on God. God loves all people equally. Is that a blow to your ego? Get used to it.
Well that might just happen. So we will see how Israel responds if and when it comes up. And it very well might.
Moshiach's ultimate loyalty will be to God, not to one tribal group or sect.
Also, why can't the Third Temple/House for All Nations be built within the boundaries of a Messianic Democratic Republican Nation State ?
I wonder if you are aware of a certain brilliant figure from the past, namely the Jewish orthodox rationalist, Mar Samuel, of the Academy of Sara, Babylon, from about the year 220 ace. He made a famous decision, which by the way most affected the Jews, and was expressed in the phrase, Dina d'malchuthah dina—"The law of the land is the law for us." This means that it was the duty of all people including the Jews to obey the laws of the countries in which we live.
Jeremiah's famous quote, which should be etched into every adult's consciousness, was "Seek the peace of the country whither ye are exiled and pray to the Lord-for its welfare." The ultimate result of Samuel's dictum was that the better the Jew, the better the patriot.
Jeremiah out trumps Jabotinsky in the Wisdom Card Game by a mile.
I am not familiar with the history of which you speak - but I believe that it is right and good to abide by the laws in the land in which you live - unless the laws are evil.
It is my view that a Palestinian state living in peace side by side with Israel would be a good thing - a good thing for all the world.
A win-win scenario. As Lou Reed sang in Perfect Day... "You're going to reap just what you sow."
Seems the Arabs have not yet begun to comply and Isreael is on phase 27... I have a fair trade, Washington give up the west coast to Russia, and the east coast to China and Israel gives up Gaza to the Arabs.
That will bring peace, right?
I have another compromise, Israel not annex the abandoned land, but bulldoze all the Arab construction on land in Jerusalem that does not have building permits. That will take about 4 years as there are thousands of houses built on land here they do not own. Some places are even built on the blacktop of the streets!
Condi is just demonstrating that America is clueless as to what is going on in Israel, and in a very poor position to be dictating solutions to problems they do not understand.
She is also showing that Bush is clueless as to the Bible and its warnings about Nations that burden themselves with Jerusalem. God promises destruction on the Nations that do so, and God always delivers what he promises.
Boy, you are defensive.
I wonder why since you repeatedly told everyone on the thread who dared to question the current policy that we don’t belong here. You have offered nothing here except intimidation, names and a call for blind unthinking loyalty that would do Kim Jung Il credit.
I asked you a simple question. Since the US gives tremendous foreign aid to Europe why don’t we give them orders on how to conduct their affairs the way you believe the US should do to Israel because we give Israel much smaller sums. I need not detail the garbage we have put up with from France whose survival or territorial integrity was never at stake. After countless posts reiterating your mantra “I support the President” you still have not addressed this basic issue which you raised by saying that Israel is obligated to do as the US says because they take US aid.
I am not interested in your name calling or in your opinions of me or in your opinion of where I belong. Call me anything you like. I’ll let my words speak for me. Stick to the discussion if you have anything at all germane to say.
Finally I believe you have outed your real agenda here by your remarks about “poor Palestinian children.” You are a Palestinian sympathizer against Israel. That’s fine. Or not really. But don’t wrap yourself in the American flag when your agenda is Palestinian rights, and you are referring to the Israelis and their supporters as “the most ungodly and unspiritual people on the planet.”
Here is the dialogue:
IAF Thunderpilot:
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they lover their children more than they hate us". -Former Israeli PM, Golda Meir, after the Yom Kippur war of 1973.
Sunsong:
I have heard this quote for years - and I like it. It contains common sense and wisdom - but little arrogant one - what will you do when the Palestinians do begin to love their children? Do you have the humility to see that change is happening or are you blinded by your arrogance?
No children deserve to live the way that Palestinian children do. Only the most unGodly and unspiritual people on the planet could wish that on them.
Do you even know how the Palestinian children live? Are many starving? Do they go to school? Many children around the globe have the same or much lower standard of living. How about the ones starving to death? Where’s your overstated compassion for them?
As Alouette addressed, the implication of your statement is that the Israelis have brought them to this impasse and are heartless to not make peace to ameliorate their condition. Total bull. What will you do oh big arrogant one when the Palestinian use their children once again as pawns. The corrupt Palestinian leadership and the Arab world who manipulated their plight brought them to their current state. None of that will change by dividing Jerusalem or giving some territory to people who have not yet come to terms with the fact that they are not getting it all and that Israel as a Jewish State is here to stay, and who use terrorist means to sabotage any reasonable solutions.
Oh big arrogant one you are exposed.
That you have a little clique here does not mean anything. What are there about 10 people? Come on - wake up. That is nothing compared to millions of Americans. A majority of Americans support President Bush and his efforts to bring peace to the ME. It is you and your little clique here that is out of the mainstream.
Have you heard of Jung and the shadow? You might consider that when you talk about being closed-minded. There is every reason to be optimistic and to support President Bush and Secretary Rice - but you are apparently closed to it.
What you and your little clique thinks, however, does not matter much. Change has already come - and more is on the way.
Here is more on Dr. Rice's trip at Yad Yashem Holocaust Memorial
Your interpretation of Jewish prophecy is lacking and is very incomplete. If you knew what was to unfold over the next few months you would be Moshiach, and I certainly don't think you are indeed him.
And what if Moshiach reveals a spiritual world to all mankind that allows us to physically see G-d's essence in all living things? A bit like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did.
She is also showing that Bush is clueless as to the Bible and its warnings about Nations that burden themselves with Jerusalem. God promises destruction on the Nations that do so, and God always delivers what he promises.
Oh boy. More Messianic predictions. More arrogance. Whatever. Time will tell. I'm putting my money on President Bush and Condi Rice. You believe whatever you want to.
Blessings on you my friend, while you tend to be very liberal and peace-nic in my point of view, but not unreasoningly so, it is humorous to see you butt heads with the more extreem leftists. You tend to think, that makes you a target. Only puppets that jerk as they pull the strings are their friends. Form over substance, retoric over reason is the substitute for reality for the socialist suicideniks.
Thank you. I forgot to point out that all this NATO money goes unnoticed as foreign aid because it is part of the actual defense budget. While this made perfect sense in the cold war with the Soviet threat, it is now for many years an anachronism which fosters an unhealthy dependency.
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