Boy, you are defensive.
I wonder why since you repeatedly told everyone on the thread who dared to question the current policy that we don’t belong here. You have offered nothing here except intimidation, names and a call for blind unthinking loyalty that would do Kim Jung Il credit.
I asked you a simple question. Since the US gives tremendous foreign aid to Europe why don’t we give them orders on how to conduct their affairs the way you believe the US should do to Israel because we give Israel much smaller sums. I need not detail the garbage we have put up with from France whose survival or territorial integrity was never at stake. After countless posts reiterating your mantra “I support the President” you still have not addressed this basic issue which you raised by saying that Israel is obligated to do as the US says because they take US aid.
I am not interested in your name calling or in your opinions of me or in your opinion of where I belong. Call me anything you like. I’ll let my words speak for me. Stick to the discussion if you have anything at all germane to say.
Finally I believe you have outed your real agenda here by your remarks about “poor Palestinian children.” You are a Palestinian sympathizer against Israel. That’s fine. Or not really. But don’t wrap yourself in the American flag when your agenda is Palestinian rights, and you are referring to the Israelis and their supporters as “the most ungodly and unspiritual people on the planet.”
Here is the dialogue:
IAF Thunderpilot:
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they lover their children more than they hate us". -Former Israeli PM, Golda Meir, after the Yom Kippur war of 1973.
Sunsong:
I have heard this quote for years - and I like it. It contains common sense and wisdom - but little arrogant one - what will you do when the Palestinians do begin to love their children? Do you have the humility to see that change is happening or are you blinded by your arrogance?
No children deserve to live the way that Palestinian children do. Only the most unGodly and unspiritual people on the planet could wish that on them.
Do you even know how the Palestinian children live? Are many starving? Do they go to school? Many children around the globe have the same or much lower standard of living. How about the ones starving to death? Where’s your overstated compassion for them?
As Alouette addressed, the implication of your statement is that the Israelis have brought them to this impasse and are heartless to not make peace to ameliorate their condition. Total bull. What will you do oh big arrogant one when the Palestinian use their children once again as pawns. The corrupt Palestinian leadership and the Arab world who manipulated their plight brought them to their current state. None of that will change by dividing Jerusalem or giving some territory to people who have not yet come to terms with the fact that they are not getting it all and that Israel as a Jewish State is here to stay, and who use terrorist means to sabotage any reasonable solutions.
Oh big arrogant one you are exposed.
Lol how funny. Your blame reaction is quick indeed :-). I think that Alouette is paranoid. Maybe you are, too. And I think it has been going on long before this thread ever came to be. If you are intimidated by words - maybe you would do well to look at your level of paranoia?
I honestly think that you may be happier on some extremist site someplace. Does that "cause" you to become paranoid? How does that work?
I asked you a simple question. Since the US gives tremendous foreign aid to Europe why don’t we give them orders on how to conduct their affairs the way you believe the US should do to Israel because we give Israel much smaller sums. I need not detail the garbage we have put up with from France whose survival or territorial integrity was never at stake. After countless posts reiterating your mantra “I support the President” you still have not addressed this basic issue which you raised by saying that Israel is obligated to do as the US says because they take US aid.
I answered your question. Here it is again. Do not think that we would blindly defend Europe right now. Everything has changed since 9/11. The public has been much more engaged and is aware of the anti-Americanism coming from certain quarters of Europe. Don't, for a minute, think that we would play "saviour" to France or even Germany. NATO serves our purposes for the time being. As long as it does - we will support it.
But that does not change my opinion that if Israel thinks our relationship is not in Her interest - She is free to break it off. No one is "forcing" Israel to take our money or our support or our council.
I am not interested in your name calling or in your opinions of me or in your opinion of where I belong. Call me anything you like. I’ll let my words speak for me. Stick to the discussion if you have anything at all germane to say.
And I am not interested in your put downs or your ridicule. I have not seen any salient arguments made on this thread. I have already said that. If you have some penetrating new insight to offer - by all means let's hear them. So far - all you have said is the same thing over and over - just like I have. You think that you know better than President Bush and Secretary Rice and I think that President Bush and Secretary Rice know more than you. If you have anything else that is "germane" - please express it.
Finally I believe you have outed your real agenda here by your remarks about “poor Palestinian children.” You are a Palestinian sympathizer against Israel. That’s fine. Or not really. But don’t wrap yourself in the American flag when your agenda is Palestinian rights, and you are referring to the Israelis and their supporters as “the most ungodly and unspiritual people on the planet.”
Now I am convinced that you are paranoid:-) Can a human being not express sadness for the pain that Palestinian children suffer without you immediately accusing them of being against Israel? That is just ridiculous. In fact, that is tragic. Are you in favor of Palestinian children suffering?
Do you even know how the Palestinian children live? Are many starving? Do they go to school? Many children around the globe have the same or much lower standard of living. How about the ones starving to death? Where’s your overstated compassion for them?
Where have you been? I spoke out way before the Iraq war about the suffering there - the suffering in Zimbawe, in Sudan. I have spoken forcefully for Israel. I have spoken about the atrocities in Iran and in North Korea. Where have you been, dervish?
You show yourself quick to judge and quick to assume. Neither is a quality to be proud of.
As Alouette addressed, the implication of your statement is that the Israelis have brought them to this impasse and are heartless to not make peace to ameliorate their condition.
That is your paranoia speaking. There is no implication there at all. Why are you all so paranoid?
This thread has diminished my support for Israel, that is true. I had no idea how arrogant and ungrateful some of the Israelis are. That has been eye-opening. But I still support the existence of Israel. I also support the existence of a peaceful Palestinian State living side by side with Israel.