Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9
What if I told you I have friends in Iraq too?
Well, I hope that you're "friends" come home safe and sound and I thank them for their sacrifice. And I never said I was an authority on military conduct. I leave that up to the professionals-namely the military but I do not have to agree with you on this very subject.
Thank goodness there were no Dan Rathers, Walter Kronkites or like-minded journalists back in 1775.
We'd still be subject to the British crown, if that were the case.
Article 134 of the UCMJ only applies to commissioned/warrant officers -- not to NCOs. And how do you know they are subordinate? They might be of the same rank. You are leaping to conclusions.
Anytime there's a possible anti-Bush angle to the story, real or perceived.
Actually, the "easy way out" would have been a hit-and-run post. Not my style at all.
Reading the other posts, it seems a lot of other posters agree that what the soldiers did was wrong.
The fact that this thread is going to go over 400 posts indicates that while "a lot of other posters agree that what the soldiers did was wrong", there is significant disagreement to that opinion. From what I've seen, most of the dissent appears to be coming from active military, former military, or spouses of active or former military.
I, too, respect other people's opinions. However, you called for the dishonorable discharge of soldiers coming out of a war zone for having some harmless fun. A lot of posts like yours do not seem to be about the soldiers at all, but about how it makes US look, or how it makes YOU look. In other words, people are getting indignent because they are embarrassed.
The bottom line is, those folks have been over there fighting for us, and this "party" doesn't embarrass me in the least. Those pictures, and the descriptions, are so totally tame it is asinine.
Not only that, but these soldiers are under orders not to date the locals. In garrison you have a ready supply of civilians to go out with. In Iraq, that option doesn't exist.
I suppose they are supposed to sit around at night doing Bible studies or reading their TOs.
Gimme to old B/W anytime.
Geeeez. I'm glad those "experts" weren't around to watch us launch willing Navy nurses into the pool by the Subic Bay Junior Officers' Club.
I hear that.
Some of the classics are only 'right' if they're in black and white.
When they go colorizing things the movie loses something.
The acts described are violations of other paragraphs of Article 134, though you are correct not fraternization. When I was active duty I investigated something similar to this. I think the point is that this out of control behavior is similar to what happened at Abu Ghirab. The inmates are running the asylum. Good leadership would have found other outlets for the normal energies of these young people.
What is not objectionable in a civilian environment is deleterious in this environment.
This is the sort of thing Bill Clinton did in the White House- where was the outrage then?
Incidentally, there are no more SP5/6 ranks in the Army.
Correction. Post 357.
This sucks...There's always one that will take it too far and jack things up for everyone else. If the Army is anything like the Marines, they've locked down every camp from Iraq to Okinawa, canceled off-base liberty and are just generally making every other soldier's life miserable.
They should have followed the U.N.'s example and coerced some fourteen year old locals into mud wrestling for them...I have yet to see that reported in the MSM.
Oops, I really did not know that. I just took it for granted from what I knew. I'll be looking into that change and when it occurred.
"Geeeez. I'm glad those "experts" weren't around to watch us launch willing Navy nurses into the pool by the Subic Bay Junior Officers' Club."
LOL! I'm glad that they weren't around for a friends re-enlistment party. One of they guys thought that the strippers weren't being energetic enough so he jumped up on a table and showed them how it's done!
A buddy of mine was in Bahrain during the first gulf war, and the stories he told me about the Brits "blowing off some steam" were far worse than this flap. Soldiers and sailors, men and women both, were jumping up on tables, pulling their pants and underwear down, and then leaping out into the crowd, then were passed around the room like in a concert, getting their bare bottoms spanked.
This is NOTHING, people!
Maybe there is something to having females in the military after all.
Cassablanca, Bell, Book and Candle, Most of Alfred Hitchcock's work, On the Waterfront, The Longest Day, King Kong, In Harms Way, They Were Expendable, Wake Island, any Cagney or Edward G. Robinson movie, to mention only a few ruined by colorization.
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