Posted on 02/01/2005 10:22:25 AM PST by .cnI redruM
WASHINGTON — Pot. Cannabis. Hemp. Weed. Grass.
The herb takes many names. But in the nation’s capital, where the marijuana lobby (search) was once the recreational diversion of Playboy Magazine's Hugh Hefner, pro-pot special interest groups have crystallized the divergent issues behind the plant and gained a seemingly unified voice.
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"It’s a no-brainer. It makes no sense putting old and sick folks in jail for an herb that makes them feel better," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project (search), which was established in 1995 by Rob Kampia, a former mainstay at the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the first pro-pot lobby in Washington, D.C.
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It is the hypocritical argument on the legalization of Marijuana and the cause and effect syndrome, which has no basis otherwise they would have to outlaw the sale of alcohol.
"What is your argument for the legalization of just marijuana?"
It is an herb!
Not a drug as you keep repeating, though in the same breath you would deny it has medicinal properties.
Government, nor the FDA controls herbs, why?
An herb given by God to man and beast alike at the beginning of time and which has grown freely almost everywhere,
including here long before our nation was formed can not be permissibly eradicable or controllable by the federal government through powers supposedly rooted in the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. It is an impossible task to devise a logical explanation of how this power could be attained rightly. In light of the rest of the Constitution any such perceived mandate dissolves.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their
Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness."
Preamble: ...secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...
Amendment V: nor shall (anyone) be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
disparage others retained by the PEOPLE.
Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to
the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the PEOPLE.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Nowhere in the Constitution is it enumerated what one may put into ones body. Therefore, that right is reserved for the states or the people. However,
since God has already specified in the Bible what one may consume, it is, in fact, the People’s God given right.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers
of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places.
To: Protagoras
While you were sleeping one off, Protagoras, your side lost.
But hey, thanks for playing. We have some wonderful parting gifts for you backstage. Don't let the door hit ya.
95 posted on 02/01/2005 1:38:32 PM CST by robertpaulsen [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
You are making this personal, and are making personal statements about me that have no basis in fact. Don't.
You made it personal. You did to several other posters as well. YOU get what you give. Grow up, stop being a cry baby when you get a dose of your own medicine.
And making statements about you that are undisputed by you, are surely to be considered fact.
Your obsession with these drugs comes from somehwere, the answer to the question "where", is obvious.
Now that we have the genesis of the problem taken care of, lets chat about your bizarre contention that you somehow were granted the right to raise your children in a world of your dreams where everyone does what you want them to do instead of what they want to do.
Hey, maybe alcohol should be illegal. But they tried that once and it didn't work. I doubt it would work if we tried it a second time.
But that doesn't mean we therefore open the floodgates to anything and everything. Even if the drug is less harmful than alcohol. If that drug is legalized and doesn't replace alcohol, we've added to the problem, haven't we?
You two deserve each other . . . ROFLMAO
As if "we" should be social engineering by force and coercion anyway. It is repugnant to a free society based on republican rule. In a democracy, well then maybe. Do you live in a democracy?
The problem is Abuse... Even Food can be a health hazzard.
Look at all the Obese people in the US.
Where do you live? Some Libertarian fantasy world? The world of objectivism as espoused by Ayn Rand?
"It is repugnant to a free society based on republican rule."
If so, then it is last in a long list of repugnant government behavior. Maybe we should undo some of that before we talk about legalizing drugs.
You'd rather start with drugs first? Then we'll move on the rest, huh? Yeah we will.
Yes, I agree. But I believe that all recreational drug use is abuse.
People use drugs to get high. Look at what they go through. People risk arrest, fines, jail, losing their job, their family, to purchase and use drugs. Oh no, robertpaulsen, we go through all that just to relax. Uh huh.
Alcohol is another matter. Sure, some abuse alcohol. But many more use it for many different purposes without getting high. Probably 90% of drinkers use alcohol responsibly.
Nice try.
Where do you live?
You don't want to make this personal do you? LOL
Some Libertarian fantasy world?
Kinda like that fantasy land where you assert the right to live in a dream world where everyone does what you like. For the kids of course,,, Hillary.
The world of objectivism as espoused by Ayn Rand?
Off topic nonsense, as usual.
If so, then it is last in a long list of repugnant government behavior.
How true.
Maybe we should undo some of that before we talk about legalizing drugs.
Not actually. The topic on this thread is the goofy unconstitutional Federal WOD. When you go to some other thread and address those other repugnant behaviors, they will be addressed. Oh, I forgot, you only have an obsession about this subject.
Wow conrtadicting yourself in the same post, that a new standard, even for you.
Alcohol is another matter.
Of course it is. Otherwise if you believed in the CSA like you say in post 268 it would be illegal.
Go play gotcha someplace else. You bore me.
Go play gotcha someplace else. You bore the whole site. LOL
"That's where our elected representatives reflect the will of the people"
Bear in mind this sacred principle, that
though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail,
that will to be rightful must be reasonable;
that the minority possess their equal rights,
which equal law must protect,
and to violate would be oppression."
--Thomas Jefferson
Galatians 6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
It should be a duty for freedom loving Republicans to prevent government from imposing upon individuals, through force and coercion, arbitrary
puritanical beliefs that are contrary to established religious facts, beliefs and scripture. Only this way can we assure the freedom of religion envisioned
in this nations’ founding.
"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time;
the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."
--Thomas Jefferson, 1774.
Curry got booted after a vanity he posted. Roscoe then disappeared in what seemed to be protest to that. I remember this because they were unlikely allies of mine on McClintock threads going against the Arnold supporting liberal FReepers.
CinFLA got banned and now posts as WildTurkey and still manages a good cinflagration of a thread every week or so.
Dane has moved on to defending the immigration policies of the President against the majority of FReepers, and Cultural Jihad remains the egnigmatic consumer of cannibis that he's always been.
The reason you survive is because you're the only one who puts up a reasonably good argument for your side and for the most part doesn't rely on emotional based or "for the children" nonsense. I do wish you would use your debating skills for more important topics such as immigration and abortion though.
It wasn't even sold as tabs but as pills. And could not be obtained for less than $10 per. Even in wholesale quantities in SF it was about $5. It was NEVER obtainable for the low price you refer to in any area I lived in at any strength or purity that was effective. And those varied greatly. Nor have I ever heard of such prices anywhere.
Nor was it ever given away wholesale even the Kool Aid Acid Test days didn't see it as free.
LOL, too late. He already invoked the "for the children" nonsense on this thread.
And with all due respect, his "debating" ability is all in his mind. He sucks at it.
Ignores all the questions and comments that lay waste to his comments. Attacks those he disagrees with as drug users but becomes indignant and shrill when his own use is questioned. He threatened to tell mommy on me earlier on this thread. He's a real peach.
Genetically patented hybrid seeds.
Compared with the folks he referenced in that post, he's a heck of a lot better than them. And typically he doesn't get too bad until he gets frustrated. If he could supress this, he wouldn't be that bad, as I have seen him argue reasonably and effectively in the past.
You are correct about the other guys and gals though, they are even worse.
You have to keep in mind, he associated himself with them, not me. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. LOL
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