Posted on 01/20/2005 7:37:49 AM PST by stainlessbanner
After reading Marcy Newman’s article "Symbols of Racism" (1/13/05) in The Arbiter, I had to wonder if Boise State is an institution of higher learning or just another of those campuses specializing in a type of politically correct indoctrination.
In her article where she mentioned "what the Confederate flag really means," Newman told of a student who, according to her description, violated her space by wearing a jacket displaying the Army of Northern Virginia (ANV) battle flag. She rambled on with her interpretation of what the Georgia legislature had in mind when it adopted the ANV battle flag into its state flag in 1956 — a means of intimidating Black men and women in Georgia.
However, some Georgia legislators and others living today who were instrumental in designing the ’56 Georgia flag deny that was the case. That flag more realistically represents Georgia and its Southern-Confederate history and heritage. Not only in the south today, but throughout the country, many Americans revere the ANV battle flag as an honorable, soldiers’ flag that their ancestors fought and died under. It represents an important part of tens of thousands of individuals’ ancestral history and heritage.
As to the ANV battle flag being flown when African-Americans are lynched, I will submit to Dr. Newman that as a historical researcher of some 35 plus years, I have seen many photos of lynchings. Virtually all of those were devoid of images of any flag except for the occasional United States flag. In a great many lynching photos, no reason existed to display a flag with a Southern-Confederate history, because the lynchings took place in northern states. And some of the worst spectacles of lynchings (lynching does not just mean hanging) that I have seen occurred in states such as Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and as far west as California. Those spectacles included the severe whipping, hanging, and public burning of a body on a public street while a crowd of onlookers stood by. No Confederate flags are seen. In California, a long list of lynchings that took place from the late 19th century until the mid-20th century showed a few Blacks and Hispanics that were lynched, with the majority having been white. No need for a Confederate flag to intimidate there.
However, as she continued in her article, Dr. Newman was partially correct, although slightly skewed in her observations about the ANV battle flag in more modern times. She leans hard on the idea of "white, Christian supremacy woven into these flags…used historically by groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, and neo Nazi organizations…and it is waved when white supremacist Christian groups march in predominately Jewish communities such as Skokie, Ill."
To address the latter comments: recently the History Channel (cable TV) ran back-to-back showings of two productions, the History of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party. These films did, indeed, show both groups, Klan and Nazi, displaying at least one ANV battle flag in public demonstrations, including the one by the Nazi’s in Skokie, Ill. Recall that the Nazi’s applied more than once for parade permits and were continually denied. Finally, of all groups, the ACLU stepped in and sued on the grounds that the Nazi’s First Amendment rights were being denied. But what Dr. Newman fails to mention in her diatribe about "white, Christian supremacy," is that another flag was also prominently featured in these marches, the flag of the United States. What in the world shall we do with that flag?
Since its modern revival in 1915, the KKK claimed as its own the U.S. flag and the Christian cross. Almost immediately, the flaming cross became the foremost symbol of hate and intimidation in this country, vividly portrayed in the History Channel production about the Klan. Does that mean crosses everywhere, at places of worship or hanging from necklaces, should be eliminated? And contrary to popular belief fed by "Hollywood history," the Klan was not resurrected to intimidate Blacks. Those of us of the Roman Catholic faith and select white politicians became the KKK’s first targets. Next came the Jews, and Black folk were an afterthought. It took decades before the Klan chose to desecrate the ANV battle flag.
Historically, the flag flying over every school and government building in the country — the U.S. flag — has its dark side, from flying over slave ships that plied their trade through New England seaports long before the Confederate States of America existed, to the brutal, genocidal war waged by the U.S. Army against Native Americans and in the Philippine, Islands during the Spanish American War.
In the spring of 1941, just months before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, the Klan and American Nazi’s held a joint meeting at Camp Nordland, New Jersey, with an estimated 50,000 in attendance. Camp Nordland, one of five such camps in states such as Illinois and Pennsylvania, was not unlike our Boy Scout camps of today. The young German-American boys who visited in the summer wore uniforms with armbands that displayed the swastika. The boys weren’t there to learn scouting skills. They were being taught the doctrines of the Third Reich.
Photos of the Klan-Nazi meetings show robed Klansmen and Nazis in storm-trooper uniforms giving the well know stiff-arm salute. The Klan had done that salute for years, and some think the American Nazi’s may have borrowed it and exported it to Germany. While Klansmen and Nazi’s rubbed elbows and spouted hate speeches, the Nazi flag bearing the swastika and the U.S. Stars and Stripes flew boldly side-by-side. The Confederate battle flag had not yet been misappropriated by either group, nor would it be so for many years to come.
Those who insist on removing from view all symbols that act as reminders of hate, oppression, or intimidation could begin their historical house cleaning by changing the U.S. flag. Or, you could consider that each flag has two sides and two stories.
A more productive action would be to acknowledge that a growing number of students and adults revere the historic Confederate battle flag, not as a racist symbol, but as a strong emblem of history and heritage. And it’s not just white heritage; it belongs to Hispanics, Native Americans, and the descendents of Black Americans who fought as soldiers or otherwise served the Confederate Army. Or is the popular concept of diversity limited only to certain subjects and groups?
If students want to wear Confederate flag images to school, let them lead discussion groups to convey what the historic flags mean to them. Allow those students to share their heritage and discuss the history of their ancestors who fought in the War Between the States (erroneously called a Civil War). Our schools should be for learning, not for suppressing legitimate history.
Men of honor, valor, and courage followed the Confederate flag into battle only for the short span of a single war, fighting an oppressive Federal government for the freedom they believed in. And that is the only history by which their descendents prefer to see their banner remembered. The strength of a flag does not lie in its fabric or color, but with the spirit of those who died defending the beliefs for which it stood. To that end, the United States and Confederate battle flags share much common ground.
Let us assume for a moment that any sovereign State that voluntarily joined the union can voluntarily withdraw. In that case, Lincoln's aggressive actions with respect to Sumter were "illegal".
From this point of view, Lincoln and other politicians from the northern States recognized an opportunity to gain control over the resources in the southern States. Clearly, the war that followed was one of conquest by wealthy business interests in the north and their politicians.
You should have applied sooner!
Unilateral secession as practiced by the southern states was illegal before the rebellion and it is still illegal.
South Carolina was within it's right to secede. Just like America was within it's right to leave England.
Seems to me that the 'secession' from Great Britain was followed by an 8 year period known as the Revolutionary War.
What must be remembered is that South Carolina gave the union fair warning and asked like any other nation that the troops be removed.
And again, since Sumter was the property of the U.S. government what right did South Carolina have to demand it be turned over?
And for that matter, why did the north invade Virginia?
Becuase Virginia had joined the forces of the rebellion then waging war against the United States.
OK, I'll play along. Assume that the South Carolina secession was legal. How were Lincoln's actions illegal? Sumter belonged to the U.S. South Carolina had no legal rights to it at all. It could only be disposed of through congressional action. Absent that then Lincoln was well within his duties as president to keep the garrison from being starved into submission.
Like I said, I don't have your slant on things.
Lincoln could and should have ordered his army to quit the garrison and move to a location within the border of the United States.
Why?
Plenty of brave men fought and died under this flag. It's a part of some people's history. But if you want to fly it now you'd have to write something close to a dissertation about why it's not a symbol of oppression, and you'd have a hard time doing so. The associations are that strong. Everyone knows that, consequently the Germans have come up with another flag.
I'm not sure that we really need regional flags when we have national, state, and sometimes even city flags. But if you need one it shouldn't be hard to come up with one that reflects the desires of both Southern Whites and Blacks, Confederates and Unionists.
Why?
Because it was the right thing to do. Forcing allegiance to a single individual or to a state is tyranny. On a smaller scale, it is called slavery.
Since Germany has never been a part of the United States and was not involved in OUR Civil War, your logic is questionable.
As the people of South Carolina and the rest of the confederacy well knew. But regardless, why should Lincoln have turned over federal propery, uncompensated, to South Carolina?
We don't care if you don't want to fly our flag in New Jersey. But we don't need you dammyankees tellin' us not to fly it here in the South. I've got a 3'x 5' Battleflag flying this week to honor the Great Gen. Robert E. Lee (his birthday was Sat.)
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