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To: Caipirabob; Non-Sequitur; SunkenCiv; cyborg; wtc911; Tax-chick; Stoat
To: Caipirabob
"It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war."
I think the C.S.A. probably would have been friends with the U.S.A. The C.S.A. would have fought the Spanish American War instead of the U.S.A. in their ultimate goal to include the Caribbean region, but would have sided with the allies during both World Wars.
To: Caipirabob
What's wrong is the flag. That flag (The Stars and Bars)was the battle flag of the Confederate Army. The NATIONAL flag of the Confederate States of America evolved into a white field with the stars and bars where the blue field with stars is on Old Glory, and a thick red stripe running lengthwise down the opposite end of the flag.
2,359 posted on
02/09/2005 8:40:19 PM PST by
PzLdr
To: Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? One unspoken benefit of a Northern loss in the Civil War is that there almost certainly would have been no Spanish-American War, and likely no U.S. entry into World War I. Without extensive Philippine possessions in the Western Pacific, likely no U.S./Japanese War in the 1940's. (It is almost inconceivable that CSA - without a Pacific coast - would have entered into war with Japan. ) The U.S. and C.S.A. might eye each other warily across the Mason-Dixon line, but neither would be inclined to entry into needless foreign wars.
And, yes, slavery would have ended in the South before 1900, although, perhaps with forced repatriation of the Negro slaves to Africa, which was Lincoln's preferred solution.
To: Caipirabob
This is a real photo. Nice shirt, nice guitar, nice hat.
To: Caipirabob
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Jeese, one of the worst movies every made. It turned people into bizarre caricatures of themselves. Besides, his military skills notwithstanding the man was a dirt bag. He refused to let one of his officers leave winter camp to visit with his dying wife and children, then brought his wife to spend the winter with him. There was, for a long time, the view that his own men killed him out of hatred.
To: Caipirabob
To: Caipirabob
This "movie" will be the Hollywierdos attacking the red staters for re-electing Bush. Nothing good will come of this movie.
3,180 posted on
03/02/2005 12:47:14 AM PST by
trubluolyguy
("You think that's tough, try losing a testicle in a knife fight with your mother")
To: Caipirabob
Think about this though. Had the Civil been fought to a draw and both sides withdrew to their respective corners you would have a map very RED-BlUE state like.
Now at the time you would have an industrial north and a much weaker south based on agriculture. But that would have changed with needed industrialization.
Ok extend what happens next. The Union merges with Canada and moves closer to Europe. As the South competes with the North economically as it industrializes after the Civil War ends the map of the continent looks more like the United States of Canada vs the Red States.
If you like alternate history stuff there is one author Harry Turtledove. He does alot of that kind of stuff.
3,362 posted on
03/04/2005 9:18:00 PM PST by
Coleus
(STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
To: Caipirabob; stand watie; WhiskeyPapa
"Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California." Just let 'em go.......just kidding, CA FReepers...LOL!!
Very good post, hopefully the discussion won't deteriorate into another North/South bloodbath...MUD
3,759 posted on
03/14/2005 6:40:38 AM PST by
Mudboy Slim
(Dan Rather...FReeped Outta Existence!!)
To: Caipirabob
Good post. For the most part we only get two perspectives on the Civil War. One from the North and one from the South.
I've a good friend from Alabama. Her Great-great grandfathers fought on opposing sides. One of them helped found the 1st Alabama Cavalry in the early weeks of the war. They from a part of the state that tried succeeding from the Confederate state, but were treated harshly by the Confederates for their effort.
Reading about the 1st Alabama Cavalry led me to dig further. Similar efforts to succeed from confederate states happened in other Confederate state. Only West Virginia was successful. Efforts to create the state of Winston (northern Alabama) were crushed. Similar efforts occurred in other souther states.
Seems from these accounts the Confederates were quite comfortable in claiming the right to succeed while denying it to others.
There's more here than the standard accounts from the north and south. Here's a link about the 1st Alabama Cavalry:
http://www.1stalabamacavalryusv.com
To: Caipirabob
Enough already.
We are ONE NATION.
I, for one, like it that way. I will always love Texas best, but it does not mean that I don't love the other 49 states.
4,116 posted on
04/03/2005 10:40:02 AM PDT by
LibKill
(Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
To: Caipirabob
To: Caipirabob
"...what would the country be like had the South won the civil war."
I think the CSA and USA would have lived side by side in an uneasy peace. The Feds would continue to eye the Confederates with suspicion and continue attempts to coax the rebels into inequitable treaties and trade deals. The CSA would have fought the Spanish American War (perhaps other wars in Central and South America) without USA support. Both would have fought as allies in the two World Wars of the 20th Century.
4,332 posted on
04/05/2005 11:51:34 PM PDT by
Gum Shoe
(I'm not a professional military officer, I just play one on TV.)
To: Caipirabob
If the South won? France would have driven up into a thoroughly weakened CSA from Mexico with Emporer Maximillian. Britain's plans to retake Florida and their former colony would have started out with a multi-pronged attack from Canada, Jamaica, Bermuda, and the Bahamas after instigating massive riots in the North among the Irish immigrants. Russia would retake California, Washington, Oregon, and parts of Alaska only to lose it in an agreement between London and Tokyo after Japan annihilated the Tsars forces called in from the Crimean, Ukraine, and Afghanistan to reinforce a beleagured Pacific Imperial Army. Japan would have won consessions and taken all of its Pacific regions, bringing about a power vacuum in the Middle East, Asia Minor, and British-french possessions in Asia.
Considering the former scenario, without a USA no one would have fed starving France after the Franco-Prussian war, allowing the spread of disease throughout Europe. The Kaiser and Hitler would have been victorious without the USA existing to turn the tide in both wars for the allies. Japan would have invaded and conquered Australia and India and become the sole ruler of the Pacific.
No one would have stopped communism.
Good thing the CSA was dissolved by act of war to retain the USA. The world would have been a different place. GoUSA!
4,551 posted on
04/08/2005 12:20:01 AM PDT by
sully777
(It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
To: Caipirabob
"The South will rise again."
The South has already risen again. Renewed in a stronger Christian Faith then previously known, rural conservative values saved the entire nation. The culture of death has to answer for its shameful dehumanizing pride.
So long as Americans humble themselves, and tasks children to understand their Judeo-Christian heritage, we have a better hope for recovering from our foolish pride and the mistakes made because of it.
4,978 posted on
04/13/2005 8:37:19 AM PDT by
SaltyJoe
(Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.)
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