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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
was nothing of that sort EVER done in the north? (like the notorious NY DRAFT RIOTS for example???)
inquiring minds want to know.
free dixie,sw
it's SECRET! don't talk about such a NON-PC thing! (you might hurt the damnyankees little feelings.)
rotflmRao.
free dixie,sw
Yo, pilgrim, I am not positive if the current rabbis shot will cover me. Bite yourself, you depraved pervert.
If you do send 'southern' "FREEDOM RIDERS" please advise that once-a-year bath might help, and do not drive here, fly!
The broken down, mud caked pick up trucks, plastered with torn rebel flags don't enhance anyone's image :)
IF we do send southern freedom riders up north to help you desegregate YOUR one-race schools, they will be dixie blacks. (let's see ya'll make fun of them without looking like the RACISTS & BIGOTS, that so many damnyankees are!)
rotflmRao!
free dixie,sw
Pardon me,but your Freudian slip is showing.
free dixie,sw
had you done the research on our court case, which you claim to have done, you could NOT have missed the judge's comments about PRIOR RESTRAINT of SPEECH, which is a violation of the FIRST AMENDMENT of the most egregious sort.
also, the counsel for the Department of Veterans Affairs OPENLY stated that "any display of the rebel flag at any time or place is a racist slur".
it was the ORIGIONAL INTENT of all the representatives of the government to deny us our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. nothing more & nothing less than that.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
some of his/her "usages" sound suspiciously like those of 'ole #3????
otoh, he/she could just be a LITTLE TROLL??
free dixie,sw
The reasons offered by the southern secession leadership, to other southerners, in an effort to convince the others to follow their lead, is devastating in its monotony - secession was about white supremacy, the preservation and expansion of slavery, and an attempt to maintain the plantation slaveholder oligarchy.
When you can explain why that was the topic of virtually every existing address, letter, or presentation by the secession commissioners, made during the crucial winter of 1860-61, and why scant attention was paid to "states' rights," or "tariff issues," ad nauseum, then maybe you can continue to argue the minutia. Until then, your assertions to the contrary are laughable.
They were not amended at all.
"They were abandoned in place irregularly."
Not at all. The articles had no higher authroity than that of the Continental Congress which drafted them and the state legislatures which ratified them. These same legislative bodies also authorized the Philidelphia Convention, send the draft of the Constitution of 1787 to the state legislatures, which in turn called for the ratifying conventions.
Quod leges posteriores priores contrarias abrogant.
Yada, yada, yada.
No, something Ronald Reagan did.
That is his name on those tax hikes, none of which could have passed without his signature.
Stop talking like a fool!
You guys want to set up some pure standard to judge Lincoln, well, if you going to judge Lincoln by expanding government, then so did Reagan.
You want to ignore historical context, then you live by the sword and you die by the sword.
The Reagan Revolution was mostly rhetorical, not substantive.
But he did some good things and for that he can be considered a good President.
How much more Lincoln, who also did a far more important thing, kept the Union intact.
A fact that you confederate lovers really hate him for.
The full bill of particulars that induced the South to secede is here:
Reasons for Secession. Robert Rhett.
You may consider my remark at the end about inductive and causal fallacies to apply to your post as well.
Like I said.
You're missing a verb.
And these aren't mere laws we're talking about -- these are foundational documents.
And you can't get out of the fact that you've admitted yourself: the Articles of Confederation, as you so helpfully pointed out, were never amended -- which is different how, from what I said?
The Articles never having been amended, and yet no longer being operative, the only thing you can say about them is that they were abandoned in place, deserted, and ignored. Overthrown, IOW, by secession.
As GOPcapitalist likes to parody it, "Tu quoque! Tu quoque! Squaaaawk!"
You're like one of those kids in "Cowboys and Indians" who refuses to fall down when he's shot. GOP called your game and rang you up a while ago, and here you are, still arguing -- pretending, as he further predicted you would, as if nothing had been said.
Run along home, I think your mother's calling you.
Just let 'em go.......just kidding, CA FReepers...LOL!!
Very good post, hopefully the discussion won't deteriorate into another North/South bloodbath...MUD
Ya think so? Three people who were posting to him blipped out without warning. Figure it out.
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