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Confederate States Of America (2005)
Yahoo Movies ^ | 12/31/04 | Me

Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob

What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?

While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.

Stars with bars:

Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.

Some things are better left dead in the past:

For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.

Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.

Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:

So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?

Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.

This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.

Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.

At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.

So what do you think of this movie?


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To: lentulusgracchus

How do you regard Rear Admiral Samuel Eliot Morison's many historic works?


4,681 posted on 04/09/2005 11:12:01 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Then ping him, doofus! (Don't be the coward we all believe you to be!) Ask him if I've ever been banned, suspended, "exiled," or whatever other lie the 'crapper wants to pass off on the gullible southern masses.

It is easy enough to recover posts made during the alleged "30 day exile", but it would be more satisfying to see the liar refuted by the owner of the site.

But frankly, you don't have the cajones.

4,682 posted on 04/09/2005 11:12:21 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: stand watie
"sadly, i fear that you wouldn't KNOW polite."

And you do?

4,683 posted on 04/09/2005 11:13:21 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: M. Espinola
There is no doubt what-so-ever after reviewing posts from your twisted mentality why the Confederates seditionists had to be throughly crushed. You are the poster boy of why Reconstruction should have never ended.

Making violent personal threats again, Espinola? You know that's looked upon in the same light as your massive bandwidth theft...

4,684 posted on 04/09/2005 11:17:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: lentulusgracchus
It is easy enough to recover posts made during the alleged "30 day exile"

More like the lack thereof.

4,685 posted on 04/09/2005 11:21:43 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Civil War Reconstruction to you is "Making violent personal threats" (??) Twisted my comments once again out of disagreeing with the content? There is something radically wrong with you, "GOPcapitalist"

Quote where I made "violent personal threats" to you.

He continues to sink lower & lower.

How come you refuse to extract yourself from the depths of the 'lost cause' and join the 21st century?

4,686 posted on 04/09/2005 11:32:24 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: M. Espinola
Civil War Reconstruction to you is "Making violent personal threats" (??)

Referencing a desire for something to be "throughly crushed" and then grouping an individual into that something is indeed making violent personal threats. You tend to revert to such uncivilized behavior when you cannot make a factual or even collegial retort, which is to say very often.

4,687 posted on 04/09/2005 11:46:18 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: M. Espinola

GOPcrapitalist is well-known for bearing false witness. He game plan, which plays well with the dullards among the southern masses, is to make things up and repeat them endlessly. It is an old nazi tactic (the big lie) and he has it down pat. nolu chan used to do that too, while he was still here.


4,688 posted on 04/09/2005 11:48:24 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus; 4ConservativeJustices

Your false-witness-bearing friend is welcome to post everything he has concerning his bogus complaint about being cyberstalked. His problem is, he has cried wolf too many times - his tactics have come to be expected. The funny thing is, the basis of his complaint was ludicrous, because he is already well-known to many of us here - and has been for years.

He's going to pull you down with him, if you aren't careful. The 'crapper's lies led directly to bushpilot, CSSFlorida, and nolu chan being banned, probably got 4conservativejustices suspended, and have gotten several of your posts deleted. I wonder how much more of his filthy lying the moderators are willing to tolerate. I have had several good FReepmail conversations with the boss about the merits of pulling threads versus suspending the offensive posters.


4,689 posted on 04/10/2005 12:03:32 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist

Name the supposed "30-day" period.


4,690 posted on 04/10/2005 12:05:37 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: GOPcapitalist

Your lies are easy to expose.


4,691 posted on 04/10/2005 12:07:29 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus; 4ConservativeJustices
Name the supposed "30-day" period.

It seems that Cap'n Crunch has outright abandoned the previous censure's injunction. Needless to say, the dates in question began on 1/26/05 and continued until 2/22/05 for a total of 28 days.

4,692 posted on 04/10/2005 12:13:47 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: lentulusgracchus; 4ConservativeJustices
Can you honestly believe how far fetched this guy is getting! Yeah, it's par for the course for somebody who invents fake battles and court decisions but this is becoming an outright theater of the absurd! Witness...

The 'crapper's lies led directly to bushpilot, CSSFlorida, and nolu chan being banned

...yet a review of the posting histories of FR reveal that nolu chan was banned on Espinola's complaint for quoting Saint Abe's use of the n-word and bushpilot was banned for posting photos of John Wilkes Booth - both absurd reasons to be sure, but certainly nothing where I was around. And CSSFlorida? Considering that I only encountered the guy once or twice, he might as well accuse me of sending psychic messages to the moderators!

Of course we all know the banned types he associates with on a daily basis...#3neo-nazi, Wlat the Horse, Michael Moore, you name it!

4,693 posted on 04/10/2005 12:21:03 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: lentulusgracchus; 4ConservativeJustices; nolu chan

You know, at first I thought it was simply more of his cyber-obsessions coming through with a little projection thrown in. And that's all there to be sure, but he seems to have told so many lies and woven such a web of distortions that he now believes them to be true!


4,694 posted on 04/10/2005 12:27:19 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: capitan_refugio
GOP-déclassé has most clearly demonstrated he is the ruling maven of make believe, a real Bobbe-myseh, repeated historical inventor, a slanderous liar, arch-trouble maker and a failed stool pigeon.

If he is actually part of any state or town Republican committee his mask is on tightly otherwise they would have cleaned house.

4,695 posted on 04/10/2005 12:32:16 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: M. Espinola
Let me give you an example of GOPcrapitalist's "big lie" technique.

In an earlier post on this page the liar posted this"

"... the 'story' of how the union army won the battle of Fort Davis in 1862."

Way back when, he took great umbrage when I post a passage from Aurora Hunt's book, The Army of the Pacific, 1860-1866, about the Union "capture" of Fort Jefferson Davis in western Texas.

He is sensitive about matters Texan, and the manifest cowardliness of the Texans in that campaign are a sore point with him. The word, "captured," was used correctly. A common definition is "take control of" and the context of the passage makes it clear that there was no battle - as the Texans had already skedaddled - leaving their wounded behind.

Flying the Stars & Stripes over reclaimed federal facilities in insurgent Texas was an important symbolic achievement for the Union forces in the West. However, in a fit of mental masturbation, the neo-rebs liars decided that creating an alternative reality was better than facing the truth, so they concocted the "Battle of Fort Davis" - along with lyrics!

How typical is it of habitial neo-reb liars to go to thse lengths? They do it all the time. GOPcrapitalist is trying to do it with his phony "violent post" claims against you.

He is invited to re-post the original post I made claiming there was some sort of "Battle of Fort Davis." He won't - not just because he is a coward, but because he is lying and no such post of mine exists. It is the same with the rest of his lies. He'll come up with some excuse.

4,696 posted on 04/10/2005 12:34:33 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus

I suppose it'd only be proper to keep a running tally of how many times the Great January Censure's injunction has been violated. The present count is 7 and growing fast!


4,697 posted on 04/10/2005 12:59:13 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Marxism finds it easy to ally with Islamic zealotism" - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; GOPcapitalist
It seems that GOPcapitalist is again having a little problem with the truth. His continued slander requires a response. He has posted on this thread several times that I was "exiled," suspended, banned, or otherwise had posting privileges revoked.

There has never, ever been a sanction against me.

I realize you moderators find the Civil War threads anything but civil. But you can put an quick end to this issue by confirming the truth of my statement, or the falsity of his.

4,698 posted on 04/10/2005 12:59:58 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
He is an ardent DeLorenzo disciple. The 'Big Lie' tactic, the more it's repeated, today's neo-confeds really believe some like minded dimwits will begin to buy into the non-stop, wild, historic distortions & blatant lies. Once individuals have been positively identified as being in agreement with the 'cause' the deliberate camouflage for public consumption is removed. Real goals are only discussed among loyal seditionists for the 'lost cause'.

This backward element has a hidden deleterious agenda for portions this nation. An agenda is all they will ever hope to obtain. In here as well as many other Internet sites neo-confeds are being exposed constantly by their own incriminating screams of pure foolishness.

On the subject of Fort Davis I found the following post-Civil War data:

'On July 1st, 1867, companies C, F, H, and I, of the Ninth U. S. Cavalry under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Wesley Merritt, officially reoccupied the post at Fort Davis, Texas, that had been abandoned by federal troops since 1861. Merritt and the Ninth Cavalry had a sizable job ahead of them. In addition to helping to construct a new post, they had the Apaches and Comanches with whom to contend. A major responsibility was to protect travelers and the mail on the San Antonio-El Paso Road. In so doing, the army stationed small detachments of men at a number of stage stations,and sent other troops out on scouts and patrols.'

A REMARKABLE LEGACY

'In the history of Fort Davis, enlisted men of African-American heritage, or "Buffalo Soldiers" as they were called, amassed a notable record of accomplishments. They arrived at the post in 1867 when western Texas was still open to attack by raiding Apaches and Comanches. By the time they left in 1885, peaceful travel and settlement prevailed in much of the region.'

Source

4,699 posted on 04/10/2005 1:28:43 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: lentulusgracchus; 4ConservativeJustices; GOPcapitalist; Jim Robinson
His false claims got the personal attention of the boss. The thread got the personal attention of the boss. It so happened that bushpilot, CSSFlorida, and nolu chan were at their excessive "best" at that time. I guess the boss didn't like his site being polluted by southern racists.

This thread apparently got locked earlier today for a while. It is getting attention again.

Your radioactive buddy is right about one thing - he wasn't around. He hid. I'm also glad to read that he thinks Jim Robinson had "absurd reasons" for bouncing the neo-reb racists.

4,700 posted on 04/10/2005 1:35:04 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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