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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
Insult? lol, in relation to the verbal on slots in here, that's a stunning compliment! :)
I am not in agreement with lining up innocent Iraqi civilians, but jihadic creeps, once captured, should be lined up and made to wear panties on their heads which would be an improvement over the used dishrags.
And I have two (that I know of) that fought for the Union during the Civil War, one of them getting his leg shot off. And I've seen them and all who fought for the north reviled on these threads as rapists, thieves, arsonists, mass murderers, as stooges and lackies of a tyrant who puts Stalin to shame. It's been implied that anyone who fought under the flag of the United States in that war was a fool who didn't understand the intent of the founders, that all they cared about was putting the south under their collective thumb and destroying individual liberties to create a modern proto-fascist state. That they fought to collect tariffs, that they fought because they hated southern Christian values, that they hated and feared blacks, that they just hated the south.
So you go ahead and honor your ancestors. Let them lie in their cemeteries under the Confederate flag. Hold your memorial services. I've got no problem with that. But don't expect me to accept that my ancestors, who answered the call of the United States in her time of peril, who fought and sacrificed under the Stars and Stripes, were evil or deluded.
So I assume that you consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes, no?
the last go-round UNARMED civilians (like MY family for example) and HELPLESS CSA POWs were "the most favored target" of the bluebellies, especially those persons of "minority" racial/religious groups, as it was certainly easier & MUCH SAFER than fighting the valiant, ARMED, "lads in gray".
free dixie,sw
Thanks for clearing up your viewpoint on the rest of the nation. Nobody in here would believe you actually had those sentiments. Arrogantly barfing!
And I am the 'illiterate' one? Try hitting the send button once, Gomer, or has the southern sun fried what remains of a brain?
Why do think you people lost the Civil War anyway? -- 'L o a d.. the ..c a n n o n, Clem '...(in slow motion)
As many as it took for them to realize that they have no right to rebel and commit treason.
the last go-round UNARMED civilians (like MY family for example) and HELPLESS CSA POWs were "the most favored target" of the bluebellies, especially those persons of "minority" racial/religious groups, as it was certainly easier & MUCH SAFER than fighting the valiant, ARMED, "lads in gray".
Confederate casualties of combatants outnumbered civilian casualties about 3-1. Again, your claims are not based on any facts.
the "rest of the nation" are NOT damnyankees. only the SELF-righteous, ARROGANT, IGNORANT HATERS & BIGOTS are DAMNyankees.
free dixie,sw
Kudos to them for their service.
And I've seen them and all who fought for the north reviled on these threads as rapists, thieves, arsonists, mass murderers, as stooges and lackies of a tyrant who puts Stalin to shame. It's been implied that anyone who fought under the flag of the United States in that war was a fool who didn't understand the intent of the founders, that all they cared about was putting the south under their collective thumb and destroying individual liberties to create a modern proto-fascist state. That they fought to collect tariffs, that they fought because they hated southern Christian values, that they hated and feared blacks, that they just hated the south.
I condemn the actions of the leaders, those that were responsible, those that knew it wrong to wage war on civilians. Fighting against the CSA was not dishonorable for those that answered the call of their country. Many a Union man served with honour, and I respect their service.
Knock it off & return to the real world before you go off the deep end 100%!
"mysteriously disappeared", as in CHILE,UKRAINE, POLAND & NICARUAGUA.
NOTE to ALL: remember the damnyankee coven of WAR CRIMINALS around lincoln, the TYRANT & shyster railroad lawyer, INVENTED the CONCENTRATION CAMP.
damnyankee "bummers" were REALLY good at burglary,rape,robbery,looting, murder & other WAR CRIMES.
free dixie,sw
I'll bet they're all on board the U-Boat in Galveston, next to the practical cotton harvester of the 1850s and the national headquarters of the KKK.
Source, please. The only numbers I was able to come up with was the 50K range I mentioned in my post.
The nuts are really out there today :)
Walt? Wlat? Is that you Walt?
I doubt my pickup cares, just a good example of the crap we've been putting up with for years, while someone new on the other side gets people wiped from the FR rolls for little or nothing at all.
Nope, it's your Aunt Sally from Selma. LOL
Yes, but it is a subjective call.
From Wikipedia regarding collateral damage and war crimes:
Collateral damage is the unintended damage to civilians and non-military property during war, either accidental or as a side effect of actions that do not violate the laws of war. Although the concept goes back at least to Thomas Aquinas, some feel the phrase is used these days as a cynical euphemism for civilian casualties. The term came into popular use among the general public during the 1991 Gulf War.
Regarding the deliberate targeting of civilian populations, by military or non-military personnel, see terrorism.
In war, there are in principle legitimate military targets and illegitimate civilian targets. If civilians or their property are affected, it is nevertheless not a war crime if a) that effect could not be foreseen or b) it could not be avoided and was minor in relation to the military objective. Clearly, because whether damage is collateral or not depends on judging internal states and what counts as minor, it can be difficult to judge in individual cases whether civilian loss was a war crime or collateral damage.
The intentional bombardment of Charleston civilians was clearly avoidable and thus a war crime by the definition above. The Feds aimed at the steeple of St. Michaels Church in a civilian area of town.
The Federal commander demanded in an unsigned note sent in the middle of the night that the Confederates surrender Morris Island and Fort Sumter or he would start bombarding civilians, which he did that same night at 1:30 AM. My interpretation is that he wanted to bomb Confederate civilians and set up the circumstances so that that would happen. This senseless and vindictive bombardment continued off and on for 18 months, long after Morris Island was in Federal hands.
Maybe selecting your friends with a tad more wisdom will avoid such vulgar human waste in the future. Could it be you actually relish such sordid associations?
The Days of Wine and Roses
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