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Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob
What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?
While scanning through some of the up and coming movies in 2005, I ran across this intriguing title; "CSA: Confederate States of America (2005)". It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war.
Stars with bars:
Suffice to say anything from Hollywood on this topic is sure to to bring about all sorts of controversial ideas and discussions. I was surprised that they are approaching such subject matter, and I'm more than a little interested.
Some things are better left dead in the past:
For myself, I was more than pleased with the homage paid to General "Stonewall" Jackson in Turner's "Gods and Generals". Like him, I should have like to believe that the South would have been compelled to end slavery out of Christian dignity rather than continue to enslave their brothers of the freedom that belong equally to all men. Obviously it didn't happen that way.
Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then? I don't know. I honestly don't know. My pride for my South and my heritage would have most likely doomed me as it did so many others. I won't skirt the issue, in all likelyhood, slavery may have been an afterthought. Had they been the staple of what I considered property, I possibly would have already been past the point of moral struggle on the point and preparing to kill Northern invaders.
Compelling story or KKK wet dream?:
So what do I feel about this? The photo above nearly brings me to tears, as I highly respect Abraham Lincoln. I don't care if they kick me out of the South. Imagine if GW was in prayer over what to do about a seperatist leftist California. That's how I imagine Lincoln. A great man. I wonder sometimes what my family would have been like today. How many more of us would there be? Would we have held onto the property and prosperity that sustained them before the war? Would I have double the amount of family in the area? How many would I have had to cook for last week for Christmas? Would I have needed to make more "Pate De Fois Gras"?
Well, dunno about that either. Depending on what the previous for this movie are like, I may or may not see it. If they portray it as the United Confederacy of the KKK I won't be attending.
This generation of our clan speaks some 5 languages in addition to English, those being of recent immigrants to this nation. All of them are good Americans. I believe the south would have succombed to the same forces that affected the North. Immigration, war, economics and other huma forces that have changed the map of the world since history began.
Whatever. At least in this alternate universe, it's safe for me to believe that we would have grown to be the benevolent and humane South that I know it is in my heart. I can believe that slavery would have died shortly before or after that lost victory. I can believe that Southern gentlemen would have served the world as the model for behavior. In my alternate universe, it's ok that Spock has a beard. It's my alternate universe after all, it can be what I want.
At any rate, I lived up North for many years. Wonderful people and difficult people. I will always sing their praises as a land full of beautiful Italian girls, maple syrup and Birch beer. My uncle ribbed us once before we left on how we were going up North to live "with all the Yankees". Afterwards I always refered to him as royalty. He is, really. He's "King of the Rednecks". I suppose I'm his court jester.
So what do you think of this movie?
There is actually substantial evidence that the Gainesville executions, or at least the main figures who were hanged, were genuinely involved in a criminal plot to sabatoge the Texas and Confederate governments. The plot was connected with the same groups who perpetrated a wave of arsons and poisonings in late 1860 across northern Texas with the assistance of abolitionist agitators from Bleeding Kansas.
There were actually 150 people arrested in the Gainesville conspiracy and taken before a criminal jury of 12, of which the majority were exonerated. 2 were shot as they attempted to escape from jail while the jury was deliberating. 7 were convicted in the first round by the jury (the ones who were most likely involved in the plot). While the jury was in deliberations over the other prisoners a mob amassed and killed 14 before the authorities could intervene. The next week the abolitionists struck again, assassinating Col. William Young, who had presided over the jury, and another man. The court reconvened and convicted 19 more out of the 150, who were then sentenced to death. It's been debated ever since how far the guilt extended to some of the executed, but the fact that a criminal plot existed is beyond a doubt as is the fact that both sides in that plot used vigilante means to attack the other during the course of the trial but external to its happenings.
How many in the north? Any?
Funny you ask that. Their number goes at least into the thousands. One particularly horrendous case happened on the back supply lines of Sherman's march in 1865 under Gen. Robert Milroy in Tennessee. Milroy drafted up several lengthy lists of dozens of names, plus one large list exceeding 50, which he gave to Death Squads who then went door to door executing the people on them, often in a bizarre and tortuous way described on Milroy's orders. For example, one order directs the men to execute some victims by hanging them with a slip knot and pulling their feet until dead. Another directs them to stage an "accidental" shooting of a victim's wife. A third directs them to take the named persons prisoner and deliver them to a civilian unionist "informant" to be "disposed" of by torture as a reward for his loyalties. The "crime" of most was simply having been accused of being a confederate sympathizer, and unlike in Gainesville, NONE of them had any form of trial or conviction be it military or otherwise. Even worse, this was no vigilante act by a renegade commander. It's all spelled out on union army stationary in the national archives. I'll even give you the call numbers if you so desire. And that's just one of many cases. If you really want to, we can get into discussions of how Col. Fielding Hurst executed his prisoners, placed their heads on stakes, and used them to line a roadway in Tennessee.
As always, you'd do better to stick to actual facts and figures. But you won't because facts and figures make you look bad. Facts and figures show that 38,000 is more than 4,000.
For the record, Paludan's gushy attribution to Lincoln is not even historically accurate. He claims that Lincoln was dedicated to an egalitarian end, however as historian George Frederickson noted echoing Gideon Welles, George Julian, Carl Schurz, Ben Butler and dozens of other men who personally knew Lincoln before him, Lincoln continued to deny political equality between the two races to his dying day. One of the very last acts of his presidency was to begin preparations for a renewed colonization scheme for the freed slaves in Panama. An unintended consequence of his assassination 3 days later was that this fundamentally racist scheme never got carried out.
If something is prohibited, and you do it anyway, does that make it legal?
Always has and always will. Some folks just have comprehension problems.
Always has and always will. Some folks just have comprehension problems.
If something is in the constitution, can it be unconstitutional?
Judge Merrick's wife was also arrested.
If it was done under duress, or the amendment was not ratified by the requisite 2/3 majority, or is a violation of existing Constitutional terms.
Considering the krauts were the first one's to introduce poison gas to the battlefield it makes sense if the 'your side' had one.
In World War Two the German Side perfected 'gas'. Southern segregation laws and Nazi segregation laws as in the Nuremberg 'laws' had a lot in common....pure hate, Jack! Natural allies.
As for us leaving, why? So yankees like you can take our land and possessions again?
That's good for starters, although I am not in the market for a mosquito infested swamp, unless you guys clean it up first, then we can build dozens of swanky high-rise hotels & condos. It worked on Miami Beach, it's 'cracker' free. What's wrong with a little civilization?
You people have no sense of humour.
There's a reason Yakov Smirnoff is based in Branson.
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Ah, Watie, caught in another lie. Say, maybe the Klan national headquarters is on board the U-Boat in Galveston, alongside the practical cotton harvester of the 1850s.
And let me guess, he's a commie, too?
'All is forgiven boys, of course you can continue voting as if nothing happen over the last 4 years, plus, we really want all the pro-abolistionist congressmen and senators, especially those from New England to remain in office and naturally when your terms are finished, if you so elect, run for office again.'
More historic spins: .."each state was required to allow blacks the right of suffrage (the vote). That meant blacks could vote in the South.." Do you recall something termed 'Jim Crow?'
The only ones who should have been forced to the back of the bus should have been identified 'Confederate segregationists'.
The Southern-Confederate ringleaders of instigating civil war, resulting in over half a million dead Americans should have had their right to vote revoked for no less then 25 years, in conjunction with being permanently bared from holding public office. Once again benevolence to traitors was a massive mistake.
Are you in agreement with the return to segregation in the Deep South if that condition was the only method of a modern 'Confederate separation' from the United States?
A man should be known by the company he keeps. And considering the bullshit that Bensel is lumped in with in this site then he can hardly be considered an objective and unbiased source. That's probably why GOP luvs him so.
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