Posted on 12/28/2004 11:05:31 AM PST by jveritas
If you want to destroy a political forum then turn it into a conspiracy theories haven. This is exactly what is Democratic Underground known to us as Dummyland. At DU the lefties are running all type of insanely delusional conspiracy theories ranging from election fraud, to Bush is going to kill or imprison every Democrat in the country.
On the other hand Free Republic is the best political forum on the internet because the vast majority of posters use logic and facts to express their opinions and comments regarding a particular subject. Unfortunately in the last two months there have been a flood of threads on Free Republic where the conspiracy theory crowd have been living it a large. These threads deal with the illegal immigration issue and many of the posters on these threads used every conspiracy theory under the sun. These insanely delusional conspiracy theories tell us how President Bush is going to Mexicanize America, how he is going to destroy the American economy, how he is going to annihilate our culture and on and on and on. President Bush has been savagely attacked by these posters and he was called all type of names. These threads are being now the Bush bashing forum on Free Republic.
Leading the brutal attack against President Bush are the Buchanin loyalists and 3rd party voters. Yes you can go ahead and show a poll on FR where the majority disagrees with President Bush guest worker program but the vast majority of those are not hatefully attacking President Bush. The hate campaign is lead by a fringe group on FR and this fringe must no tarnish the reputation of this great forum.
We can disagree with President Bush on his illegal immigration plan but we should do so in a constructive and logical way. We must not allow these threads of immigration issue to be hijacked by the fringe that will turn into a “Bash Bush Party”, spread insanely delusional conspiracy theories on Bush plan to destroy America, and spew a lot of racism directed toward Latinos. In the same way the fringe is going after any freeper who disagrees with their Bush bashing and crazy conspiracy theories and accuse him or her of being a supporter to illegal immigration, wanting to destroy the nation, helping the terrorists, and on and on and on.
We should always remember that the Republican Party is the ruling majority because we were able to get ride of the fringe in our party, the Buchanin loyalists and extremists who turned into 3rd party voters.
Free Republic is the greatest of all political forum on the internet, let us keep it this way and let us prevent it from being hijacked by a fringe of Bush basher and insanely delusional conspiracy theorists.
Frankly,your baiting is so pathetic and your posts so childish,that you aren't worth the bother.But,just for kicks,I've called up but a few of my good friends,to take a look at you...for the laughs.
As with all things illegal,those who break the law,should be punished according to the law of the land.That's my position.Now,answer me this...WHY DON'T YOU KNOW MY STANCE ON THIS? IT ISN'T A SECRET!
Conspiracy Guy,could you call in the rest of the RBKA troops please? The UT is done and gone,the new UT isn't in fill throttle just yet,and someone here is just begging to be paved over. Thanks! :-)
HAPPY NEW YEAR ,DEAR FRIENDS...enjoy the silly LePer troll,whose posts to me are too silly for words and have a good giggle. :-)
Please let me know if you would like to be removed from this ping list.
You haven't lived until you've had someone ping you to a thread to claim that "ITO" you are posting from Hillary's basement. Note the use of the 'in their opinion' phrase to avoid anyone being able to call the fruitcake a liar.
Then there's the claim of the moral high ground as this same pantywaiste posts comment after comment from other threads, without links, without including what comments they were in reponse to, or even the date and thread on which they were made.
Then people come in and trash everyone that suggests ideas on how to repatriate illegals to their nation of origion. They disrupt, lie, introduce false arguements, make preposterous statements accuse the other side of being the problem.
Not once do they offer one word of support on how to end illegal immigration, but oh yes, they deny that they support it. Yes they trash anyone who explains that Bush's worker permit plan is nothing more than legitimizing illegal immigration, giving legal status to the illegal immigrant, and the subsequent fast track to citizenship. Bush denies supporting amnesty, but doesn't deny the processes I have just enumerated. He expounds on the topic, explaining in great detail just what I have, and defends it. They deny it. And of course, they support his plan and yet want you to know, they are against illegal immigration. Don't ever forget it.
In my experience on this forum, few efforts have been as divisive, dishonerable, as disruptive or as non-Conservative as the supporters of illegal immigration and the detractors of those who oppose it.
1. Conservatives support the rule of law
2. Conservatives (not liberals) are the ones who actually strive to preserve fair, equal treatment of everyone, not unfair and non-equal access to our nation from illegal interlopers
3. Conservatives want laws to be enforced, not new laws drawn up to legitimize illegality
4. Conservatives value the job access of citizens over the job stealing by people who shouldn't be here
5. Conservatives want a good education for their children, not overcrowded classrooms buldging with the children of illegal immigrants
6. Conservatives want tens of billions spent on crumbling and over burdened infrastructure, not illegals
7. Conservatives want our healthcare system to gain relief from providing billions of unreimbursed services to people who do not belong on our soil
8. Conservatives do not want Al Quaida supporters to have access to our nation, along with upwards of 3 million other unknowns each year
9. Conservatives do not think single one parent and two job moms should have their salaries pirated by government intermediaries so that illegals can have all manner of services for free
10. Conservatives don't think anyone should have their salaries pirated so that illegals can have all manner of services for free
11. Conservatives expect their president to adhere to the United States Constitution. Paraphrased, "The president shall (not may, not might, not could), another words WILL protect the states against invasion." If upwards of three million illegal border crossings per year is not an invasion, then nothing could be. We only have 150,000 troops on the ground in Iraq. That was an invading force, seeking to free up the Iraqi people, just and honorable. with twenty times that many crossing our borders every year, year after year, people on this forum and in the White House refuse to acknowledge it is an invasion.
12. And yes, Conservatives will support the president when he does things worth supporting
13. They will however, never remain silent as a president destroys this nation from within. Leaving the borders open, allowing three million unknowns to enter every year, year after year, is reckless, shamefull and utterly destructive of the sense of moral clarity, fair play and reasoned treatment of the citizens of the United States and to the legacy that is being stripped from their children
If Conservatives won't stand up against illegal immigration, then they truly won't take a stand on anything. And yes that includes Conservatism. Oh yes, they'll defend anything, support anything, fall for anything, but they won't stand up against evil.
Which is it pretenders? The rule of law or the abyss of lawlessness and evil?
Thank you Aunt B. I appereciate your comments.
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Not sure about the others you pinged since that was before I came on the thread, but in 1-Inch's case he took heat from me for making this type of comment:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1309693/posts?page=186#175
I've got something for you to pet.
If he's going to talk like that, he's going to get return fire, and I follow the proverb, "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes." On the other hand if people want to debate facts and policies in a civil manner, then they should do that.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1309693/posts?page=180#180
I remember reading the posts on the klamath battle by yourself and Jeff Head. You're right that there are many here who manage to turn this forum from a conservative activist site into "the smokey backroom". Like you, I've given up on FR for serious activism, but I haven't given up outside of here. As was pointed out to me on a thread wherein it was shown that management here looks on fr as a "chatroom", you won't get far here if you want to actually engage in activism in the interests of conservatives. OTOH it's a great place to read a lot of articles from diverse places, and have "chatroom" style fun!
Before I realized this was just a chatroom, I would take time to research, copy, paste, and post all sorts of facts and figures to those who questioned me (you know,in reply to the bigot, racist, nazi, xenophobe comments). Then after compiling this detailed, fact filled post, took me maybe half an hour, in response to someone who questioned my data the reply was (not exact quote) "your post is too long I don't have time to read all that." Since then I've seen too many posts to count where someone was name-called for statements only to reply with cold hard statistics which were blatantly ignored by the pro-illegal lobby. I've freepmailed pro-Americans being flamed by the pro-illegals encouraging them to ignore the race baiting so we could try to encourage activism. It didn't work and the result is that something so important has been marginalized here on Fr. Oh well, guess that's why it's a chatroom.
You know, I appreciate what you're saying. On this topic, the facts just don't matter. It's a gutt thing. In their gutts, those who support illegal immigration think they are right, doing God's work.
When confronted with what massive illegal immigration has done to part of our nation, they are quite content to blame that part, completely ignoring that the federal government is responsible for protecting the states from invasion, specificly the president.
On this one you'll just have to adopt patience and see it through. It is very frustrating. I have lost it more than once.
The only alternative to heartburn on this topic, is to leave the forum. It's impossible to watch the antics of those who advocate for criminality, and remain silent.
I'm not leaving, and I'm not going to remain silent in the face of consumate evil.
Only stepped into fire I knew was there. No worries.
Anyone with half a brain saw thru this post from the beginning. I thought I'd add a couple of comments warning others of the aim of this post.
It degenerated to "your mama" and innuendo about my 1_Inch_Group. Never actually replied to the content of the post...because the content was a smoke screen for the actual purpose. To piss of the few strong enough to stand and speak out...in an attempt to get them kicked off the forum.
Using familiar names like "pet"...etc. is also coming from that point....to piss people off. Which is why I responded to it. :)
Trust me, they don't want to find out why I picked that name....it involves my .45, a target, and a nice little tight pattern of bullet holes.
But, they have no arguement that makes sense...and by their actions, are getting a little worried that we're starting to make a difference in their happy little world.
Appreciate the comments from the people that are here to make a difference....I can tell who you are, and I appreciate it. Hope to meet you eventually.
Klickitat, keep looking...I've been here 6 months, and found a growing group of patriots that really care about this country. We just have to ignore the Yo Mama comments from the Social Children.
:)
Never once lost my cool, or straightened my smile...because this entire post was a joke. It just happened to turn into a great way to expose the Open Borders Lobby, and show everyone else here what they are really about.
Happy New Year, all....I gotta get to Fontucky.
You guys just gave me my end of year laugh.....too funny! LMBO!
What do you have, a third grade education? or did you come from a third world country? talk about delusional! I hope you take your medication so maybe the rest of us dont have to listen to your insane ramblings! have a nice day!
You poor,poor widdle thing. ;^)
I don't want to be taken off your ping list. I thought I already replied, guess not. Sorry.
Actually I do believe that nopardons is very much born in this country.
Are you bayourod's more evil twin??
Heehee, ignore the previous post. My boyfriend thinks you're a joke too :-D ROTFLOL, he just called you a flame-point siamese!!!!
I'm a delusional liar, and I have hallucinations. Okay, but the impression I have of you is an old woman hanging on to what's left of the family fortune. Sitting in a brownstone with no heat, wrapped in a moth eaten mink coat, railing at the rest of us for not paying attention to you. Get over yourself. The rest of us are trying to have a serious conversation, and you're flaming people...as usual. Go sit down and have a saucer of cream for pete's sake.
I don't know where you stand on the issue of illegal immigration. Typing in caps is not an answer. I'm not going to get a straight answer from you, am I? Just more of the usual insults and bs. Yawn.
Still looking for your "friends" to show up. Ooops, it's New Year's Eve. Maybe they have plans. We've got a half gallon of Tequila, 2 cases of beer, 6 bottles of Spumanti (because we can't afford the good stuff you buy), steak for dinner, guacamole, taquitos, quesadillas, chips and salsa for later. Lots of people over at my daughter's house, and that's just family. The friends are coming by later. Btw, sorry to hear about your UTI. You should have it taken care of before it reaches full throttle.
Sooo, how are you ringing in the new year? Hahahahaa, have some Meow Mix, kitty :-)
(who needs alcohol when I get to read posts by nopardons?)
Yeah I know, that was my bf having fun. He's been sitting here busting a gut over this. I'll let him know to identify himself next time ;-)
LOL
Happy New Year to you too. I guess those who advocate open borders are able to ignore the problem. They won't be able to ignore it for long. I have to wonder if some of these people employ undocumented workers, because for the life of me I don't understand how you can be in favor of being overrun by another country's problem.
99% of posters here can debate most any topic without resorting to name calling. Sure, the discussions get heated, but most of the time people act like grownups.
I emailed Tom Tancredo last year, and he actually mailed me a letter. I'm thinking of emailing President Bush with my concerns about this issue. I don't know if it will do any good, but what the heck.
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