Posted on 11/26/2004 3:02:40 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
Edited on 11/26/2004 5:41:46 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The deer hunter accused of killing six hunters and wounding two others in the woods of northern Wisconsin is believed to have resided in the Toledo area as a youth and attended Jones Junior High School.
Chai Vang, 36, of St. Paul, is listed as a student at the South Toledo school during the 1982-1983 school year, according to Toledo Public School documents.
Willie Braggs, a social studies teacher at Jones, said he remembers Mr. Vang as a student. "He was in my class in 1982 and he seemed like a pretty good student," Mr. Braggs said. "It was a real shock [to hear of the shootings]."
A wave of Laotian refugees was brought to the Toledo area in 1979 and the early 1980s. They were resettled here with the help of church groups and other local sponsors. It was not clear yesterday when Mr. Vang's family came to Toledo or when they left.
By 1994, only about 35 Hmong families remained in the area, largely because many families moved to other cities where there were more jobs available and larger concentrations of others in their ethnic group.
About 24,000 Hmong live in St. Paul.
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I have covered that with him in several posts... he seems to think the police should do it.
Obviously it's the victims fault. They didn't have a police station on the premisis.
Certainly seems to be the type that would freeze up during a firefight, waiting for air support to take out the enemy because it's thier job...
yeah would not want to have him next to me in a firefight.... No concept of personal defense....relys on others to defend him. I have posed the statement several times that it would be different if it were someone that was in his living room doing the same thing, and he fails to answer. My suspicion is because his actions that he would take if it were his own house would be different from what he is profsessing here.
so now you are saying that they hunter should have shot at Vang? you cannot have it both ways....
It would appear that you've somehow "stepped in it" , again, CD.
he has been stepping in for the past hour... now he has changed his tune to the fact that the hunters did not know how to properly defend themselves. In essence now saying they should have shot vang first. jeez.
once again the concept that these hunters were not going to let him sit on their land unchallenged seems to escape you. You ignore the fact that one of the hunters was a deputy sherriff so he had the AUTHORITY to be there and did call it in. You only seem to work with fact that are acceptable to your ideas. I pray to God that you are never faced with a situation like this if that is how you are going to approach it.
There was one gun among the 6 that were there intially that does not constitue a posse. And in Wisconsin there is a little think called respect that most people like to use. They showed that by asking him to leave and not escalting it into a law enforcement matter right of the bat. when he failed to comply that is when thing went south and Vang start shooting. The first hunter to go down had the gun. the others either went to assist the hunter that was shot or for cover and then were shot themselves. A couple of them were shot in the back, and if you ask me that is pretty cowardly.
Using this logic, we'd have to rely on the law enforcement schedule to take care of any of our problems. You would not be assured of security in any venue, outside of law enforcement (think of private security at schools, retail establishments, concerts, cultural events, etc.). All we could do is call 911 and hope the problem does not encroach upon us too badly while awaiting law enforcement. Bad guys love that we are often in this mindset.
The victims may have played this one smarter. I wasn't there and do not know what threat they perceived at the time. But, the property owner was well within his rights to advise the perp that he was trespassing and must leave. That being said, I have always braced myself for bad reactions when I have done the same. I don't think I would have done what they did with only one firearm amongst the group.
What an asinine comment.
Im not following this either... He clearly isnt a troll... just somebody with a different opinion (one I agree with)
Ahhhhhh, the old "S-S-S" Theory? Shoot, Shovel, Shut-Up...
Wasn't he also saying that the hunters should have called-in the authorities to handle it? Hmmmmmm.
The more I re-read the several articles, the more it doesn't pass the smell test. Vang is the victim? The hunters are/were the perps. An agenda at work here? Sure sounds like it.
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