Posted on 11/13/2004 11:12:00 AM PST by LouAvul
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Based on Margaret Mitchell's hugely popular novel, producer David O. Selznick's four-hour epic tale of the American South during slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction is the all-time box-office champion.
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Considering its financial success and critical acclaim, "Gone With the Wind" may be the most famous movie ever made.
It's also a lie.
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Along with D.W. Griffith's technically innovative but ethically reprehensible "The Birth of a Nation" (from 1915), which portrayed the Ku Klux Klan as heroic, "GWTW" presents a picture of the pre-Civil War South in which slavery is a noble institution and slaves are content with their status.
Furthermore, it puts forth an image of Reconstruction as one in which freed blacks, the occupying Union army, Southern "scalawags" and Northern "carpetbaggers" inflict great harm on the defeated South, which is saved - along with the honor of Southern womanhood - by the bravery of KKK-like vigilantes.
To his credit, Selznick did eliminate some of the most egregious racism in Mitchell's novel, including the frequent use of the N-word, and downplayed the role of the KKK, compared with "Birth of a Nation," by showing no hooded vigilantes.
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One can say that "GWTW" was a product of its times, when racial segregation was still the law of the South and a common practice in the North, and shouldn't be judged by today's political and moral standards. And it's true that most historical scholarship prior to the 1950s, like the movie, also portrayed slavery as a relatively benign institution and Reconstruction as unequivocally evil.
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Or as William L. Patterson of the Chicago Defender succinctly wrote: "('Gone With the Wind' is a) weapon of terror against black America."
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It is relevant if the argument is that the South is particularly racist. That the Battle Flag is a symbol of racism. That Southerners are racist. You can't argue that, now. Too much is known, thanks to nc's posts and those of other people.
You guys are playing "Spot" or "Blemish" very cynically with the South and the Civil War, and nc just pantsed you on it.
"Spot", yourself, Spot.
An aberration in the North in no way justifies a standard practice in the South and those laws were changed in the former as time went on.
Aberration my happy @ss. Stuff like that was widespread. And we're not talking about justification. What we are talking about is, your accusations are hypocritical and unfairly tendentious.
That isn't any more true than the other line.
As nc's post shows, the Southerners thought they were pretty much out of real estate in the Southwest. New Mexico as far west as the Sangres and the Sandia Mountains is pretty much an extension of west Texas, but that's about where agriculture stops.
Big whoop. The point is not confuted.
that is UTTER NONSENSE of the most arrogantly ignorant sort.
SURELY you are smarter than to believe such DRIVEL.
free dixie,sw
Slavery was important -- but the slavery issue they were dealing with was, whether they'd become the slaves of a successful political faction themselves
They chose to recast the Union and exercise their sovereign right to revolutionize their affairs, in order not to be victimized and taken advantage of as Alexis DeTocqueville had predicted.
They chose poorly.
They chose the course of honor. Of course, if you believe what you just said, then it's you who deserve to wear a boot on your neck.
ROTF!! Accoring to him, all those African slaves sailed to Rhode Island and Massachusetts by themselves! And hundreds of thousands threw themseleves overboard during the Middle Passage. And stuck corks up their *** to hide their dysentary so that they could be sold. And then they continued the slave trade past the 1808 deadline all they way up to the WONA to continue the nefarious practice. "Aberration my happy @ss" is right!
constantly standing on a street corner & shouting "THE WORLD IS FLAT. THE WORLD IS FLAT." does NOT make it a TRUTHFUL rant NOR does it make the shouter look smart.
neither does your continual spouting of the "slavery was all" theory of the REVISIONIST/socialist/communist LEFT make you look like anything but a PARROT & a tool of the southHATING RADICAL LEFT.
you are an obvious victim of the "publick screwls edumakashun sistim".
and a victim of the REVISIONIST/socialist/communist/damnyankee-elite's LEFT's propaganda machine.
go read some TRADITIONAL scholars about the 19th century & the struggle for dixie FREEDOM from northern oppression & come back here. we'll talk then.
free dixie,sw
don't you get tired of everyone with a "greater than room tempature IQ" making FUN of and laughing AT your ignorance & hateFILLED attitude toward dixie & her people???
free dixie,sw
Racism was a stain on the nation NORTH and SOUTH and don't try and tell me that I claim otherwise. However, the point is that the North was changing while the South was digging itself into a grave over slavery refusing to realistically evaluate its situation.
I am in no way playing "spot" or "blemish" I am stating outright that the South was trapped in an Evil institution which it defended to the last even though its defense meant throwing out the ideals of our Founders including those of the Region's greatest leaders. I condemn the whole culture and almost everything about it. It's social structure was destructive to all but the big planters, Its political structure was little short of an aristocracy or oligarchy. It lagged in education, innovation, and almost everything leading to decent existence for its people. Slavery's pernicious effects on the Nation can hardly be over-estimated its effects upon the South were devastating much worse than on the North. It undermined the work ethic of the whites and kept the poor whites in a sick of ignorance.
The "spots" there were the few good features standing in stark contrast to the horrible background.
MOST of the unionist lunatic fringe on FR are so nearly culturally illiterate that they don't know that they have been DUPED & made FOOLS of.
in point of fact, the damnyankee social/intellectual/academic elites would do no more than wipe their feet on the unionist lunatics that dwell on FR and LOL at them, behind their backs for being NAIVE,FOOLS & USEFUL IDIOTS.
free dixie,sw
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It is often a surprise to those just starting out but the Five Civilized Tribes were one of the largest owner of slaves. As I have stated before, many of the tribe’s men were farmers and wealthy plantation owners. Slaves were used on the large plantation prior to the Civil war, and when the Cherokee were removed to Indian Territory many of these slaves went with them. On the Henderson roll you can find out who was a slave owner by checking the records. Georgia lists a total of 776, Alabama 299, Tennessee 480 and North Carolina only 22. The total slave population in 1835 was listed as 1,592! Though names were not listed on the Henderson roll for the slaves, it can serve as a good outline for which of the families you may want to research. If you have gotten back this far in your research I strongly suggest trying to obtain wills or slave inventories for your suspected slave owner. Often these will give you a great deal of information on the family that you are looking for.
There are several different rolls that were taken in the west, starting with the 1867 Tompkin roll, this roll includes Cherokees, slaves and intermarried whites. It is available through the National archives Microfilm #7RA-04. There is a special index (National Archives microfilm 7RA-51) listed for the Freedmen, a term used to indicate that they were ex-slaves of the Five Civilized Tribes. The 1880 census and the 1890 Cherokee Nation census that I have transcribed also lists the Freedmen. There are several other rolls that were also available including the 1890 Wallace roll (National Archives microfilm 7RA-51) and the 1896 Clifton/Kern roll.
Source: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/OCEsite/GoHome/NativeAmericanlesson2.pdf
Racism was a stain on the nation NORTH and SOUTH and don't try and tell me that I claim otherwise. However, the point is that the North was changing while the South was digging itself into a grave over slavery refusing to realistically evaluate its situation.
I am in no way playing "spot" or "blemish" I am stating outright that the South was trapped in an Evil institution which it defended to the last even though its defense meant throwing out the ideals of our Founders including those of the Region's greatest leaders. I condemn the whole culture and almost everything about it. It's social structure was destructive to all but the big planters, Its political structure was little short of an aristocracy or oligarchy. It lagged in education, innovation, and almost everything leading to decent existence for its people. Slavery's pernicious effects on the Nation can hardly be over-estimated its effects upon the South were devastating much worse than on the North. It undermined the work ethic of the whites and kept the poor whites in a sick of ignorance.
The "spots" there were the few good features standing in stark contrast to the horrible background.
Racism was a stain on the nation NORTH and SOUTH and don't try and tell me that I claim otherwise. However, the point is that the North was changing while the South was digging itself into a grave over slavery refusing to realistically evaluate its situation.
I am in no way playing "spot" or "blemish" I am stating outright that the South was trapped in an Evil institution which it defended to the last even though its defense meant throwing out the ideals of our Founders including those of the Region's greatest leaders. I condemn the whole culture and almost everything about it. It's social structure was destructive to all but the big planters, Its political structure was little short of an aristocracy or oligarchy. It lagged in education, innovation, and almost everything leading to decent existence for its people. Slavery's pernicious effects on the Nation can hardly be over-estimated its effects upon the South were devastating much worse than on the North. It undermined the work ethic of the whites and kept the poor whites in a sick of ignorance.
The "spots" there were the few good features standing in stark contrast to the horrible background.
| Taken from Census Indexes of Forsyth County, Georgia 1834-1900 by Donna Parrish and Bonnye T. Leary. Copyright 1981. Used with Permission. |
1835 CHEROKEE INDIAN CENSUS
within FORSYTH COUNTY, GEORGIA
Obtained from the Census of Cherokees East of the Mississippi River.
Microcopy No: T496 Roll No: 1
Page 46 and 47 of original book
Information we have used:
Head of Household
Cherokees
Slaves
White By Marriage
Certification:
GEORGIA FORSYTH COUNTY) I do hereby certify upon honor that the foregoing is a correct census of the Cherokees residing in the County of Forsyth, Georgia. Forsyth County embraces some gold mines and iron. Possesses extensive water power with about half of the lands susseptible of tilage. December 19, 1835 C. H. Nelson, Esquire
FORSYTH COUNTY, GEORGIA 1835 CHEROKEE INDIAN CENSUS
Cherokees-slaves-Whites by Marriage
Chattahoochee River
George Waters 4-100-0
T. J. Charlton 3-30-1
James Cleland 4-5-1
John Rogers 9-16-1
Master Brannon 8-14-1
Charles Harris 4-3-1
Vickory's Creek
William Harris 3-0-1
Henry H. Sutton 1-0-1
Bird Harris 2-0-1
William Rogers 5-8-0
Robert Rogers 5-3-0
Joseph Rogers 6-0-0
Sharlot Vickory 6-0-0
Dave Cordery 8-0-0
Samuel Bennett 1-0-1
Sawney 13-0-0
Bobtail 6-0-0
Waldeah 7-0-0
Settingdown Creek
Hummingbird and 2 other families 25-0-0
Alfred Scudder 2-6no entry
Etower River
James Kell 5-0-0
Lewis Blackburn 7-21-1
Joshua Buffington 5-10-0
Moses Daniel 4-4-1
Oolskiska 6-0-0
Wickett and Terrell 2-0-0
Alfred Hutson 5-10-1
George Welch 6-1-1
28 Households 162 Cherokees
231 Slaves
13 Whites Connected by marriage
Source: http://donnaparrish.com/forsyth/1835cher.html
I am sure my education is far better than yours in almost every area including history. However, the public schooling I enjoyed was in a little town in southern Arkansas where your brew of bilge was happily swallowed. Anti-Black and anti-Yankee hatred was part of the culture I was raised in.
What you consider Marxist, Revisionist, socialist, communist are just viewpoints you can't refute so you have to lower yourself to raving and screeching. You won't find me calling your sources "fascist" or "nazi" simply because they are easy to refute.
Your idea of "traditional" scholars are just crackpots on the fringe of scholarly research generally just laughable cranks without a clue.
at the last mass rally of the KLAN-fools in Washington DC, there was NOT even one CSA flag (thanks be to God!) but over 25,000 (the Washington Star guessed at least 50,000) large US flags were carried by the "hooded loonies" in the march up PA & Constitution Avenues.
btw, the many of the same PC-IDIOTS out of northeastern academia & the "social elites", who want to ban the CSA's tattered,bloodspattered battleflags as "symbols of oppression of the masses", ALSO DISPISE & would joyously BAN the Stars & Stripes AND the CROSS of Jesus Christ from public display!
the hateFILLED, damnyankee LEFT would much prefer the UN or "rainbow" flags be flown "in sympathy with the world's poor, gay & lesbian people,the downtrodden workers & the poor".
free dixie,sw
at the last mass rally of the KLAN-fools in Washington DC, there was NOT even one CSA flag (thanks be to God!) but over 25,000 (the Washington Star guessed at least 50,000) large US flags were carried by the "hooded loonies" in the march up PA & Constitution Avenues.
btw, the many of the same PC-IDIOTS out of northeastern academia & the "social elites", who want to ban the CSA's tattered,bloodspattered battleflags as "symbols of oppression of the masses", ALSO DISPISE & would joyously BAN the Stars & Stripes AND the CROSS of Jesus Christ from public display!
the hateFILLED, damnyankee LEFT would much prefer the UN or "rainbow" flags be flown "in sympathy with the world's poor, gay & lesbian people,the downtrodden workers & the poor".
free dixie,sw
"Quick, say a prayer"
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