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Lincoln’s 'Great Crime': The Arrest Warrant for the Chief Justice
Lew Rockwell.com ^ | August 19, 2004 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 08/20/2004 5:43:21 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861

Imagine that America had a Chief Justice of the United States who actually believed in enforcing the Constitution and, accordingly, issued an opinion that the war in Iraq was unconstitutional because Congress did not fulfill its constitutional duty in declaring war. Imagine also that the neocon media, think tanks, magazines, radio talk shows, and television talking heads then waged a vicious, months-long smear campaign against the chief justice, insinuating that he was guilty of treason and should face the punishment for it. Imagine that he is so demonized that President Bush is emboldened to issue an arrest warrant for the chief justice, effectively destroying the constitutional separation of powers and declaring himself dictator.

An event such as this happened in the first months of the Lincoln administration when Abraham Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Roger B. Taney after the 84-year-old judge issued an opinion that only Congress, not the president, can suspend the writ of habeas corpus. Lincoln had declared the writ null and void and ordered the military to begin imprisoning thousands of political dissenters. Taney’s opinion, issued as part of his duties as a circuit court judge in Maryland, had to do with the case of Ex Parte Merryman (May 1861). The essence of his opinion was not that habeas corpus could not be suspended, only that the Constitution requires Congress to do it, not the president. In other words, if it was truly in "the public interest" to suspend the writ, the representatives of the people should have no problem doing so and, in fact, it is their constitutional prerogative.

As Charles Adams wrote in his LRC article, "Lincoln’s Presidential Warrant to Arrest Chief Justice Roger B. Taney," there were, at the time of his writing, three corroborating sources for the story that Lincoln actually issued an arrest warrant for the chief justice. It was never served for lack of a federal marshal who would perform the duty of dragging the elderly chief justice out of his chambers and throwing him into the dungeon-like military prison at Fort McHenry. (I present even further evidence below).

All of this infuriates the Lincoln Cult, for such behavior is unquestionably an atrocious act of tyranny and despotism. But it is true. It happened. And it was only one of many similar constitutional atrocities committed by the Lincoln administration in the name of "saving the Constitution."

The first source of the story is a history of the U.S. Marshal’s Service written by Frederick S. Calhoun, chief historian for the Service, entitled The Lawmen: United States Marshals and their Deputies, 1789–1989. Calhoun recounts the words of Lincoln’s former law partner Ward Hill Laman, who also worked in the Lincoln administration.

Upon hearing of Laman’s history of Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus and the mass arrest of Northern political opponents, Lincoln cultists immediately sought to discredit Laman by calling him a drunk. (Ulysses S. Grant was also an infamous drunk, but no such discrediting is ever perpetrated on him by the Lincoln "scholars".)

But Adams comes up with two more very reliable accounts of the same story. One is an 1887 book by George W. Brown, the mayor of Baltimore, entitled Baltimore and the Nineteenth of April, 1861: A Study of War (Johns Hopkins University Press, 1887). In it is the transcript of a conversation Mayor Brown had with Taney in which Taney talks of his knowledge that Lincoln had issued an arrest warrant for him.

Yet another source is A Memoir of Benjamin Robbins Curtis, a former U.S. Supreme Court Justice. Judge Curtis represented President Andrew Johnson in his impeachment trial before the U.S. Senate; wrote the dissenting opinion in the Dred Scott case; and resigned from the court over a dispute with Judge Taney over that case. Nevertheless, in his memoirs he praises the propriety of Justice Taney in upholding the Constitution by opposing Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus. He refers to Lincoln’s arrest warrant as a "great crime."

I recently discovered yet additional corroboration of Lincoln’s "great crime." Mr. Phil Magness sent me information suggesting that the intimidation of federal judges was a common practice in the early days of the Lincoln administration (and the later days as well). In October of 1861 Lincoln ordered the District of Columbia Provost Marshal to place armed sentries around the home of a Washington, D.C. Circuit Court judge and place him under house arrest. The reason was that the judge had issued a writ of habeas corpus to a young man being detained by the Provost Marshal, allowing the man to have due process. By placing the judge under house arrest Lincoln prevented the judge from attending the hearing of the case. The documentation of this is found in Murphy v. Porter (1861) and in United States ex re John Murphy v. Andrew Porter, Provost Marshal District of Columbia (2 Hay. & Haz. 395; 1861).

The second ruling contained a letter from Judge W.M. Merrick, the judge of the Circuit Court of the District of Columbia, explaining how, after issuing the writ of habeas corpus to the young man, he was placed under house arrest. Here is the final paragraph of the letter:

After dinner I visited my brother Judges in Georgetown, and returning home between half past seven and eight o’clock found an armed sentinel stationed at my door by order of the Provost-Marshal. I learned that this guard had been placed at my door as early as five o’clock. Armed sentries from that time continuously until now have been stationed in front of my house. Thus it appears that a military officer against whom a writ in the appointed form of law has first threatened with and afterwards arrested and imprisoned the attorney who rightfully served the writ upon him. He continued, and still continues, in contempt and disregard of the mandate of the law, and has ignominiously placed an armed guard to insult and intimidate by its presence the Judge who ordered the writ to issue, and still keeps up this armed array at his door, in defiance and contempt of the justice of the land. Under the circumstances I respectfully request the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court to cause this memorandum to be read in open Court, to show the reasons for my absence from my place upon the bench, and that he will cause this paper to be entered at length on the minutes of the Court . . . W.M. Merrick Assistant Judge of the Circuit Court of the District of Columbia

As Adams writes, the Lincoln Cult is terrified that this truth will become public knowledge, for it if does, it means that Lincoln "destroyed the separation of powers; destroyed the place of the Supreme Court in the Constitutional scheme of government. It would have made the executive power supreme, over all others, and put the president, the military, and the executive branch of government, in total control of American society. The Constitution would have been at an end."

Exactly right.

August 19, 2004

Thomas J. DiLorenzo [send him mail] is the author of The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, (Three Rivers Press/Random House). His latest book is How Capitalism Saved America: The Untold Story of Our Country’s History, from the Pilgrims to the Present (Crown Forum/Random House, August 2004).

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To: rustbucket; capitan_refugio

So much for capitan's claim that the Congress was "silent" about the arrests made by Lincoln. And just like the courts, when Congress asked him to produce cause for his actions he thumbed his nose in their direction as well!


2,161 posted on 09/27/2004 10:01:39 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Heyworth
Almost everyone was a racist in the 19th Century. History is replete with examples a lot more egregious than Lincoln's statements.

Of course. Which doesn't nullify the point previously proven, which was that Lincoln's policy, until the end of the war and his death, inclined toward the common view that blacks, howbeit that they were human, were not members in good standing of North American European society, and that therefore a new place in the world had to be found for them. Which wasn't the United States.

I diverge somewhat from the other Southerners on this board in arguing that Lincoln was always an emancipator and abolitionist, from 1855, when he wrestled with the irreconcilable objectives of upholding the Constitution and effecting the abolition of slavery, to the end of his life.

His motive, however, appears to have been to remove the onus of hypocrisy from American professions of love of liberty. So he said in his letters (as recounted by David Donald in his 1999 biography, Lincoln), and having read them from a time when he was out of office and temporarily without immediate ambition, I took him at his word.

That didn't necessarily extend to making blacks into full members of American society, with full rights and the franchise.

And the prewar maneuvering around the Corwin amendment was, IMHO, a dumbshow put on by Lincoln, to satisfy public opinion (however much of it was still listening and openminded) that he had attempted compromise -- without any intention of compromising -- and setting the scene for the eventual outbreak of hostilities, for which he was determined to thrust the moral onus on the South, in order to bring Northern opinion to embrace war.

And from a legal standpoint, he also needed hostilities and shots fired, in order to justify crushing the South militarily, which IMHO was his actual policy, never admitted publicly, after 1856. His solution to his moral impasse in 1855 was to get an abolitionist national administration elected, precipitate war, and crush the South behind the aegis of "defending the Constitution and American liberty". He killed a lot of people to make this happen, and I lay these dead at his door. War was his policy, and he must bear the blame for instigating it -- and Davis and the Southerners must bear the blame for having played into his hands, for having given Lincoln his war, and having ruined the South by misplaying their hand.

The fact is, however, that Lincoln did work to pass the real 13th Amendment, which didn't only end slavery in the rebelling states but in the loyal border states as well.

Of course. The eventual 13th Amendment was, again IMHO, his real policy. That was the goal, from 1856 forward, of the Republican Party.

And if you're going to argue, as some have, that Lincoln only worked to pass that amendment because it had become politically impossible not to only proves that, even if it hadn't been at the beginning, by 1864 the war was seen in the north to be about slavery, among other things.

No, he wanted the amendment for itself -- I think it was his Holy Grail. And the propaganda to change the purpose and meaning of the war in Northern opinion was Lincoln's. Exhibit "A" is the Gettysburg Address, which he was only willing to articulate in 1863. He didn't deliver it after Antietam, for example, or when the Emancipation Proclamation was promulgated -- deliberately, IMHO, because he gauged that public opinion was not ready. After Gettysburg, after a huge Union victory on Northern soil, public opinion was ready, and he gave it to them -- and in two minutes overthrew the United States Constitution and the American Experiment.

2,162 posted on 09/28/2004 12:52:01 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
The Constitution does not specify which branch(es) of government may suspend the privilege of the writ.

Its location in Section I is specification enough, in the middle of a list of things that the Congress shall not do.

You make the textual case because of its location in the final version of the document.

Yes, that's quite correct.

Jaffa contends that where the suspension clause is located is not nearly as important as why it is in the document at all.

So what? I'm not going to let Harry Jaffa lawyer-talk me. And his suggestion fails the test of common sense: just because it's important that taxes get collected, doesn't mean that the Supreme Court can usurp the power to collect them. Jaffa's being disingenuous -- he just wants to exonerate his boyhood hero from an accusation (true and good) of wrongdoing with respect to habeas corpus.

2,163 posted on 09/28/2004 1:14:01 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
There is nothing "wrong" with southern culture, or southern heritage, or even pride in the accomplishments of southern ancestors.

Nice of you to say so, but the practical problem is that kids are getting sent home from school, and Texas A&M students from East Texas threatened with expulsion both from the Corps of Cadets, and from the University, for having flag stickers and other gewgaws on their clothing, possessions, or, in the case of the Aggies, their personal-effects footlockers (actual case).

Moral shrimp like Foner, McPherson, and Jesse Jackson Jr. are driving this campaign of public condemnation. Jackson Junior, who I'm sure you know sits in the House of Representatives, got a public law passed that orders the National Park Service to change all the materials that they distribute to visitors, to add a political message that incriminates the South as a People. The rubber doesn't bite the road much harder than that. Too, the NAACP has as their next agenda item the purging of Confederate flags and symbols (statues, too? monuments?) from all public property, including the national military parks, by specific legal acts of condemnation and prohibition. What's next? Confiscation of the entire South by eminent domain, for use as a nuclear waste repository? That's the general direction we are going in, and yet here are professed conservatives, constructively aiding this kind of divide-et-impera, ideologically poisonous politics of attainder.

What is wrong is the hard-headed insistance that the "south was right" when the basis of the confederacy was so thoroughly flawed - legally and morally.

To admit that the Confederacy was morally flawed, you have to condemn the entire United States of America. Nothing was legal in the Confederacy, with respect to the "peculiar institution", that had not been legal under the United States. The Confederates were not Jacobins. They didn't produce radical manifestos or wondrously revolutionary Gortynian codes. What they did was reproduce the legal superstructure, with a few changes to suit themselves, of the United States, and to a great extent its constitutional language as well.

You cannot condemn the South by selective moral wrath, for shared shortcomings. That's the first point.

The second point is that much of this politically motivated moral condemnation is teleological in nature, and depends on the outcome of the Civil War to justify itself. Might makes right makes Southerners wrong. That is a fallacy.

Third point is that applying the moral and political norms and velleities of the 20th century to an anterior century is unjust to the people who lived that earlier time, and unhelpfully self-congratulatory. Our century, after all, has perfected the practices of war, and made abortion safe, legal, and ubiquitous -- as if nobody had ever heard of Jezebel, or her sin, which was to introduce a tophet to the holy city of Jerusalem, to celebrate the feral solemnities of Melqart.

There is more, but that will do for a start.

2,164 posted on 09/28/2004 1:36:29 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: GOPcapitalist; capitan_refugio
Yes it does. Article I, Section 1 states "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States"

Thank you. I saw that, too, but didn't think to quote it.

The location of the mention of suspension of habeas corpus in Article I, Section 1 is dispositive IMHO.

2,165 posted on 09/28/2004 1:38:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
Taney tried to do what he saw as best for the country. And what he thought best was to shut down all discussion and controversy with regard to slavery, by making it the unchallenged law of the land. There was a method to his madness.

I think it was called "interpretation". Or even more simply, "reading". In this case, reading the Service clause of Article IV, Section 2. The Northern States had been practicing a form of nullification, and he broke their china, just as Andy Jackson had broken the Virginians' and Carolinians' china during the Nullification Crisis 25 years earlier.

Today we would call it judicial activism.

I disagree, I don't think he engaged in legal positivism to arrive at his conclusion.

Then, it was a precursor to civil war.

It was the trigger that forced Abraham Lincoln to choose one good over another. War was his policy, as I've said.

2,166 posted on 09/28/2004 1:45:24 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: GOPcapitalist
The suspension power is given in the constitution to Congress for the very purpose of controlling abuse of it. The rationale, in its purest form, rests upon the notion that if a call to suspend the writ cannot even meet the test of obtaining congressional approval then that call itself is of suspect merit. For Harry Jaffa to assert otherwise is thus nothing short of an embrace of despotism, which seems to be what Jaffa is all about these days.

Concurring bump. Lincoln did what was expedient to his purposes, going as far as arresting judges at home, and Jaffa comes along behind with a whisk-broom.

2,167 posted on 09/28/2004 1:51:30 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
[cr #2077 to nc #2052] "Quote one word of discontent with the decision emanating from Justice Nelson, Catron, Campbell, Daniel, Wayne, or Grier." "This was your request. Clearly Justice Catron was unhappy with aspects of the Taney opinion. Case closed."

Actually, as a review of the conversation demonstrates, we were speaking within the context of your assertion in cr #2040 that "With his revised Dred Scott opinion, Taney created a monstrosity of a legal problem, because some of his opinion did not have the support of the majority of the Court." Your #2042 was another misleading, dishonest pile of your typical trash, you were well and truly nailed by nc #2052, and you are now trying to Clinton your way out from under your Clintonian dung heap.

But, no never mind. If you wish to make believe that any disagreement with any dictum, as opposed to the specified decision, will do, then I will avail myself to point out your further demonstration of gross public dumb.

To demonstrate a disagreement over just any old point in the Taney opinion, you sure did waste your time on an excursion to find an unofficial personal Catron letter with no complaint about Taney changing anything after the fact.

Why, hell, if you knew how to read a court decision, you would have realized that EVERY justice officially made some such statement of disagreement. Of course, even dumb or uninformed people understand that the two dissenting opinions disagreed with something Taney wrote. Had you have known what you were talking about, you would have known that the six concurring opinions also indicated some disagreement with something Taney wrote. Nobody joined with the Taney opinion in its entirety. All eight other justices disagreed with Taney about something and did so officially, on the record, in the dissenting or concurring opinion which they filed. (All six concurring justices agreed with the holding of the decision to the effect that jurisdiction was lacking because Scott was a slave, not a citizen of Missouri or the United States.)

Clearly, you are out of your depth and do not know how to read a court decision. When caught at Clintonizing the truth, you follow in the finest traditions of Slick Willy. Case closed.


[cr] With his revised Dred Scott opinion, Taney created a monstrosity of a legal problem, because some of his opinion did not have the support of the majority of the Court

As usual, blowing it out your butt.

Provide your evidence that the majority did not support the decision in Scott.

SEVEN justices formed the majority.

Quote one word of discontent with the decision emanating from Justice Nelson, Catron, Campbell, Daniel, Wayne, or Grier.

2,040 posted on 09/27/2004 2:42:58 AM CDT by nolu chan

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"Catron to Samuel Treat, May 31, 1857, Treat Papers, MHS. Concerning Taney's argument [regarding Negro citizenship], which he label a "dictum," Catron declared, "It cannot stand a moment in face of the dissenting opinions on this point." Fehrenbacher, pg 329, FN 20.

Perhaps this is why Taney rewrote it after the fact.

2,042 posted on 09/27/2004 3:03:08 AM CDT by capitan_refugio
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[nc #2052 documented that cr #2042 was a deliberately misleading partial quote that deliberately gave a false impression of what Fehrenbacher actually said.]

[Fehrenbacher] "Thus, on balance, the evidence seems to support the unorthodox view that Taney's ruling was indeed the Court's decision on the subject of Negro citizenship."

[Fehrenbacher] "Catron, it should be noted, was alone in insisting that Taney's argument on Negro citizenship, rather than his argument on the Missouri Compromise, was obiter dictum."

[nc] "The concurring justices concur with the holdings of the court except where they express differently within their concurring opinions.

2,052 posted on 09/27/2004 6:53:46 AM CDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan

"Quote one word of discontent with the decision emanating from Justice Nelson, Catron, Campbell, Daniel, Wayne, or Grier."

This was your request. Clearly Justice Catron was unhappy with aspects of the Taney opinion. Case closed.

2,077 posted on 09/27/2004 11:32:09 AM CDT by capitan_refugio
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2,168 posted on 09/28/2004 2:34:04 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Note that Jaffa's argument is a textbook example of what happens when one attempts to devise a legal argument on the basis of justifying an action of a particular person that has been called legally suspect.

Precisely. Positivism is really just a form of enabling, and in this case of helping to break down the protective arrangements of the Constitution.

Jaffa's approach is not only dangerous for the reasons stated but also virtually identical to the pattern employed by loose constructionist left wing judges across the nation today.

Well, Jaffa's background is that of an urban ethnic who grew up around Jewish socialists and urban pols. In the City, it's all about services, all about "getting things done", about enabling. He shares a great deal with the liberals he left behind, as do all neo-conservatives.

In other words, "how can we make it work so that Al Gore gets the recount he wants?" Or "how can we make it work so that Bob Toricelli gets dropped and Frank Lautenberg gets added to the ballot he wants?"

Or as Clinton put it to his White House legal aides who were working on warrantless, "no-knock" searches in federally-subsidized public housing, "Find me a way around the Fourth Amendment!"

2,169 posted on 09/28/2004 2:49:51 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: capitan_refugio
[cr #2036] "Even worse, Taney’s racist rant disguised as jurisprudence turned both the
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution into empty promises in their common
foundation on the premise that 'all men are created equal,' making them serve as mere
window dressing for a brutal and backward system...."

I just love quoting Lerone Bennett, Jr. to you because your reaction always renders obvious
just how much you love Black people.

As Ebony editor and historian Lerone Bennett, Jr. pointed out, in
Forced Into Glory, pp. 315-20:

Lincoln was deceiving himself, and others, for he said in a statement that nobody quotes
that Negroes had no rights, natural or otherwise, that they could exercise anywhere in
America.
This statement is so shocking that the best thing for us to do is to get out of
the way and let Lincoln speak:

Negroes have natural rights, however, as other men have,
although they cannot enjoy them here,
and even
[Chief Justice Roger] Taney once said that "the Declaration
of Independence was broad enough for all men." But though
it does not declare that all men are equal in their attainments
or social position, yet no sne man will attempt to deny that
the African upon his own soil has all the natural rights that
instrument vouchsafes to all mankind.
(CW 3:79, italics added)

Here, then, ominously, is the White man's Declaration of Independence as defined by Abraham
Lincoln, a Declaration defined by race and geography and blood, a Declaration that agreed
practically with Roger Taney that Negroes had no civil and political rights in America that White
men were bound to respect.

Not the least of the ironies of this story is that the roots of Lincoln's political philosophy are to be
found in the vulgar idealism Henry Clay devised to explain why he continued to hold slaves and to
believe in the Declaration of Independence. In fact, large chunks of Lincoln's debate speeches --
Edgar DeWitt Jones counted forty-one references -- are taken bodily from Clay's mouth.
Following Clay, Lincoln said he had never tried to apply the principles of the Declaration of
Independence to slavery or the political rights of Blacks in America. On at least fifteen occasions,
he said publicly that the principles of the Declaration didn't require him or anybody else to do
anything about slavery in the South and Jim Crow in the North.

How in the world did the Lincoln patrol miss these statements? How in the world did they
overlook the repeated assertions (CW 2:266, 274, 385, 501, 520; DW 3:16, 222,249, 255,
276, 300) in which Lincoln said publicly that the "necessities" of whiteness negated any and all
eloquent statements he made about the Declaration of Independence and made it necessary to
enslave Blacks in the South and to subordinate them in the North?

How is it that I am the only one to read these words?

How is it that I am the only one to report in this context that Lin­coln said -- you read
the words -- "Negroes have natural rights ... although they cannot enjoy them here."

To answer that question, and to clear up remaining complexities, let us question Lincoln,
history, and the Lincoln party.

     Q: Why did Lincoln call the Declaration of Independence "the white 
man's charter of freedom"?
     A: He believed -- if words have any meaning -- that the Declaration 
was the peculiar if not exclusive charter of White men and that it was 
of White men, by White men and for White men.
     Q: Most people in the world -- then and now -- were colored. Wasn't 
it irrational to call a universal declaration a White man's charter?
     A: Yes. Lincoln was irrational on the subject of race. So was slave­owner 
Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration. So, to tell the truth, are most 
of their modern-day interpreters.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe Black men were included in the statement, "All 
men are created equal"?
     A: Yes and no.
     Q: What does that mean?
     A: It means that he believed they were included in the statement and 
that they were not included in the statement.
     Q: But isn't that irrational?
     A: Lincoln was irrational on the subject of race.
     Q: To take the first part first then, what did he mean when he said they 
were included in the statement all men are created equal.
     A: He meant that Black men had a "humble share" in the words of the Declaration.
     Q: That sounds sinister and racist. Did White men also have a "humble share" in 
the words of Declaration?
     A: No. They had a full share, as White men, as subjects, in the actuality of 
the Declaration.
     Q: That is sinister. Why do almost all modern Lincoln interpreters praise Lincoln 
for saying that Black men had a share, "humble though it may be," in the Declaration?
     A: They are either irrational on the subject of race or they haven't read the documents.
     Q. What did Whites have to do to be included in the Declaration?
     A: The only thing they had to do was to be born White or to migrate to America 
from Europe or some other White land.
     Q: From a White land?
     A: Yes. Land had a color in Lincoln's cosmology. So did blood. Lincoln explained 
in great detail in his much-praised Chicago speech that the fully human Whites became 
eligible for the host of the Decla­ration as soon as they arrived from Europe (he later 
added the "White" land of Russia). They were not limited to the Lincoln right of putting 
bread into their mouths, if they could find any. Because they were White, they could, 
unlike the subhuman Blacks, vote, sit on juries, etc. Because they were White, they 
found, when they arrived in America, that they, by some strange alchemy, had "a right" 
to claim the Declaration "as though they were blood of the blood, and flesh of the flesh, 
of the men who wrote that Declaration, and so they are."
     Q: Did colored men from Africa and Asia become "blood of the blood, and flesh of 
the flesh" as soon as they got off the boat?
     A: Of course not. Neither Lincoln nor Clay nor Jefferson said one word about the 
rights of immigrants from Africa or even Asia, and Lincoln specifically excluded 
"the mongrels" of Mexico.
     Q: Does this mean that there were separate sections in Lincoln's Declaration 
of Independence?
     A: Yes. Lincoln created separate-but-unequal sections in his Decla­ration.
     Q: What rights if any were specified in the "colored" section of Lincoln's 
Declaration?
     A: Lincoln said colored people were entitled to the "natural" rights enumerated 
in the document, the right, he said, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe that?
     A: No. Pressed by critics, he could only think of one "colored right," the right 
to put bread in their mouth.
     Q. Did Lincoln believe Blacks had a right to earn bread and put it into their mouths 
in Illinois, which barred Black immigration, or in the slave states, where it was a crime for 
Blacks to appropriate the fruits of their labor?
     A: No.
     Q: Did he believe Blacks were entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness 
in the slave states?
     A: No.
     Q: Did he believe Blacks were entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness 
in Illinois, which barred Black immigration and denied Blacks the right to vote and 
testify in court?
     A: No.
     Q: How did he reconcile these contradictions?
     A: He said there were two Declarations, an abstract Declaration containing 
abstract principles which should be kept in mind, and a real Declaration which 
could not be practically enforced in existing states because of racism, custom, 
and constitutional commitments.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe the Declaration stated a principle that White men were 
bound to observe in their social and political rela­tions with nonWhite people?
     A: No.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe the Declaration stated a principle that he was bound 
to observe in his relations with African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, or 
Native Americans?
     A: No.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe the Declaration required him, or any other White man, to do 
anything about Jim Crow legislation in Illinois and other states?
     A: No.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe the Declaration required him or any other White to do anything 
about slavery in the states where it existed?
     A: No.
     Q: What did Lincoln believe the Declaration required him to do except talk?
     A: He believed it required him to support verbally and politically the enslavement of the 
four million Blacks in the South and to oppose verbally and politically the extension of 
slavery to the West.
     Q: Did Lincoln believe all men were created equal?
     A: No. He believed Whites were created more equal than Blacks who were, he said, 
inferior to Whites "in many respects."
     Q: Lincoln said at Gettysburg that America was conceived in lib­erty and dedicated 
to the proposition that all men were created equal. Did he believe that?
     A: No.
     Q: Did he believe Thomas Jefferson and George Washington believed it?
     A: No.
     Q. All scholars praise Lincoln for saying at Independence Hall that he "never had 
a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration 
of Independence." Who's right, Lincoln or the scholars?
     A. None of the above, as we can see clearly if we ask Lincoln, and the scholars, 
a few simple questions:

     When Lincoln voted on January 5,1836, in his twenty-sixth year, to keep the Illinois 
franchise pure from contamination by Black vot­ers, did that feeling spring from the 
Declaration of Independence?
     When Lincoln said at Peoria, in his forty-fifth year, that he believed America was 
made for White people, and not Negroes, did that feeling spring from the Declaration 
of Independence?
     When Lincoln said at Charleston, in his forty-ninth year, that he was opposed to 
Negroes voting and holding office, did that feeling spring from the Declaration of 
Independence?
     When Lincoln said on the last day of his life, in his fifty-sixth year, that he supported 
a Louisiana government that barred Black voters, including Black Union veterans, 
did that feeling spring from the words "all men are created equal?"

     Q. Why hasn't anyone asked Lincoln these questions before?
     A. That's a good question.

2,170 posted on 09/28/2004 3:25:12 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Did Congress meet after 4 Jul 1861? Just curious.

Yes. The were in session from July 4 to August 6 and then reconvened for their regular session on December 1.

Now your answer to my question is?

2,171 posted on 09/28/2004 3:44:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
[Non-Seq #2054] The court was not investigating if their power had been suspended, they were ruling if they had the power to issue the writ in the first place.

Heck, let's use the actual words of the Court and let's not paraphrase.

The inquiry therefore on this motion will be, whether by any statute, compatible with the constitution of the United States, the power to award a writ of habeas corpus, in such a case as that of Erick Bollman and Samuel Swartwout, has been given to this court.
The preliminary question is whether the Court had the power to issue "a" writ, i.e., any power to issue such a writ at all.

The Court answered that question in the affirmative.

The 14th section of the judicial act (Laws U. S. vol. 1. p. 58.) has been considered as containing a substantive grant of this power.

The Court then addressed to whom the substantive grant of power was given:

Whatever motives might induce the legislature to withhold from the supreme court the power to award the great writ of habeas corpus, there could be none which would induce them to withhold it from every court in the United States; and as it is granted to all in the same sentence and by the same words, the sound construction would seem to be, that the first sentence vests this power in all the courts of the United States; but as those courts are not always in session, the second sentence vests it in every justice or judge of the United States.

The court then noted the suspension clause of the Constitution.

It may be worthy of remark, that this act was passed by the first congress of the United States, sitting under a constitution which had declared 'that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus should not be suspended, unless when, in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety might require it.'

Having answered the general question of whether the court had the authority to issue "a" writ, it now proceeded to the more specific question of whether it could issue "the" writ requested in this case.

If, by the sound construction of the act of congress, the power to award writs of habeas corpus in order to examine into the cause of commitment is given to this court, it remains to inquire whether this be a case in which the writ ought to be granted.

And the Court proceeded to ask another question.

If the act of congress gives this court the power to award a writ of habeas corpus in the present case, it remains to inquire whether that act be compatible with the constitution.

The Court answered that question as follows:

The decision that the individual shall be imprisoned must always precede the application for a writ of habeas corpus, and this writ must always be for the purpose of revising that decision, and therefore appellate in its nature.

But this point also is decided in Hamilton's case and in Burford's case.

If at any time the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so.

That question depends on political considerations, on which the legislature is to decide. Until the legislative will be expressed, this court can only see its duty, and must obey the laws.

Having decided, on that stated basis, that the granting of the writ was an act compatible with the Constitution, the Court held:

The motion, therefore, must be granted.

2,172 posted on 09/28/2004 4:02:01 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Don't know about July, but the Official Records contain a Sept. 20, 1861 report from McClellan to Seward about the status of the Maryland legislature as of that date.

I know about the Maryland legislature and the September arrest of those trying to get Maryland to join the rebellion, but 4CJ had been talking about mass arrests of legislators and newspaper editors prior to Congress convening on July 4. I hadn't heard of those and was asking for details.

2,173 posted on 09/28/2004 4:03:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: nolu chan

Yes, but who had suspended habeas corpus in the first place? Where in the decision does the court note such a suspension? You pointed out that the court determined that the judiciary acts gave the courts the power to issue the writ. The question was then whether the jucidiary acts were Constitutional. The court ruled that they were. Nowhere have you shown where habeas corpus had been suspended. And if it wasn't suspended then how could the court rule on who may suspend it?


2,174 posted on 09/28/2004 4:06:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
THE COURT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF CONSTITUTIONALITY.

If the act of congress gives this court the power to award a writ of habeas corpus in the present case, it remains to inquire whether that act be compatible with the constitution.

The Court answered that question as follows:

The decision that the individual shall be imprisoned must always precede the application for a writ of habeas corpus, and this writ must always be for the purpose of revising that decision, and therefore appellate in its nature.

But this point also is decided in Hamilton's case and in Burford's case.

If at any time the public safety should require the suspension of the powers vested by this act in the courts of the United States, it is for the legislature to say so.

That question depends on political considerations, on which the legislature is to decide. Until the legislative will be expressed, this court can only see its duty, and must obey the laws.

Having decided, on that stated basis, that the granting of the writ was an act compatible with the Constitution, the Court held:

The motion, therefore, must be granted.

2,175 posted on 09/28/2004 5:24:33 AM PDT by nolu chan (What's the frequency?)
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To: rustbucket
Later they also arrested Baltimore mayor (and judge) George W. Brown, members of the Maryland legislature, viz. W. E. Salmon, J. H. Gordon, C. J. Durant, Andrew Kessler, W. R. Miller, Thomas J. Claggett, Bernard Mills, J. Hanson Thomas and J. Lawrence Jones.

Also imprisioned were J. M. Brewer (clerk of the Maryland Senate), George P. Kane (ex police marshall), Sen. John J. Heckert.

Also imprisioned as political prisioners were Frank Key Howard (editor of the Baltimore Exchange), and T.W. Hall (editor of the South).

Ross Winans' crime was this: SUSPECTED of voting for the Wallis resolution (see O.R., Series II, Vol. I, p.686)

2,176 posted on 09/28/2004 5:35:37 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: lentulusgracchus
To admit that the Confederacy was morally flawed, you have to condemn the entire United States of America. Nothing was legal in the Confederacy, with respect to the "peculiar institution", that had not been legal under the United States.

Bump.

2,177 posted on 09/28/2004 5:36:39 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Ma'am, it doesn't matter how many were arrested by 4 Jul 1861. Or by September. The simple fact that Lincoln/Seward/Stanton et al arrested anyone as a political prisioner would have been enough to prevent many from voicing dissent over the administration's policies.
2,178 posted on 09/28/2004 5:43:53 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Ma'am, it doesn't matter how many were arrested by 4 Jul 1861. Or by September. The simple fact that Lincoln/Seward/Stanton et al arrested anyone as a political prisioner would have been enough to prevent many from voicing dissent over the administration's policies.

I guess that when you make a claim without any basis in fact then it does help to say that "it doesn't matter."

2,179 posted on 09/28/2004 5:48:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: nolu chan
THE COURT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF CONSTITUTIONALITY

The Constitutionality of what? That they had the power to issue the writ? I'll agree to that. The decision clearly states that the 14th Section of the judiciary act gives them that. That the Supreme Court within their Constitutional powers to issue the writ in this case? I'll agree to that. The decision clearly states that Consitution gives the court had appellate juridiction and that was the power exercised in this case. But the Constitutionality of who may suspend habeas corpus? I'll grant you that the Chief Justice makes it clear that in his opinion Congress can suspend the writ. But habeas corpus had not been suspended by anyone at this time. Since it had not been suspended then the court could not issue a decision for the purpose of stare decisis on Constitutionality of who may suspend habeas corpus. The Chief Justice's comments constitute an obiter dictum only.

2,180 posted on 09/28/2004 6:05:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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