Posted on 07/23/2004 1:48:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
Most agree that the modern creation movement began in 1961 with the publication of The Genesis Flood, the classic work on flood geology. God has marvelously blessed in succeeding decades, and now there are scores of creationist organizations worldwide, with books and videos and seminars and websites multiplying rapidly. Not only has creation information become widely available, but the face of science has swung dramatically toward creation positions (i.e., recognition of the lack of transitional fossils, the acceptance of catastrophism in geology, etc.).
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ICR remains distinct from other creation groups in its graduate-degree programs and staff of research scientists researching and gathering information made available to all the groups. Sometimes I wonder what could be accomplished if we had access to the huge government grants available to our evolutionary colleagues at universities, but we're winning without these grants.
The rather new Intelligent Design (ID) movement has also emerged, and has been quite effective in demonstrating the exquisite design in living things, quite beyond the ability of natural processes to produce, and the religious, naturalist underpinnings of evolution. Their membership spans a wide spectrum of viewpoints, from evolutionists, to New Agers, to Bible-believing Christians. As a tactical strategy, ID has chosen to be scrupulously secular in their presentation.
While ICR applauds the work of ID, sells their materials, and supports their efforts, we cannot join them. As a Christian, Bible-based organization, our goals are different. [Snip]
[Note: the article is copyrighted, so I've excerpted some portions.]
Okay. Next time I post my "Five Failed Predictions" rant, I'll put you down as a "no" vote.
Whooooooohooooooooo! You posted. :-)
Hi my old friend.
Here is what I actually wrote:
An interesting point, one which implies that followers of Christian Science (as in Mary Baker Eddy) are at least consistent in their actions and their beliefs, whereas those who on the one hand condenm [sic] modern science as Satan's Handmaiden while accepting the benefits of modern medicine on the other are... well, "hypocritical" comes to mind.[emphasis added for those who can't read]
The critical reader will notice that no where did I use the word "Creationist" -- but rather "...those who on the one hand condenm [sic] modern science...." -- as the subject.
Whether or not Creationists are a subset of "those who on the one hand condemn modern science...." is left as an exercise for the thoughtful reader.
I'm such a reader, and I have a quibble. "Condemn" usually means to strongly disaprove, or even to denounce. I don't think it's the right word. Too gentle. Probably something like "abhor, abominate, despise, detest, hate, revile, vilify, vituperate" would fit better.
Your thoughtful suggestions are duly noted for future consideration.
The Smorgasbord approach to science! Can you imagine doing that with, say Mathematics?
"Hmmm. let's see now; Geometry looks okay, but calculus is used in Physics, and we all know Physics contains the evil twins of QM and Relativity, so we'll skip calculus, and same for Differential Equations for the same reason, but we'll throw in a little Toplogy, because, after all, it's abstract, and not an applied Math, so what trouble can we get into with that, and I guess we'll skip Probability & Statistics, because we know how the minions of Satan like to use statistics to lie, and I guess we better skip the the Complex numbers because, after all, they're only "imaginary," and that means we'll take Linear Vector Spaces, but without Hilbert spaces because they use those "imaginary" complex numbers, and while we're at it we'll skip all Infinite Dimensional Spaces, because no one has seen infinity, so it can't possibly exist, and for the same reason we'll skip Transfinite Arithmetic and everything else that comes out of Set Theory that involves sets with infinite cardinality...... oh, yes, and while we're at it, let's dig up the graves of Cantor and Hilbert and burn them at the stake for the Heretics that they were......"
Well, know; that would be quite something, Mathematically speaking: Smorgasbord Mathematics, to go with Smorgasbord Science, coming soon to an anti-knowledge institution near you ....
It's how the dems make political platforms:
Tax the rich, but create more jobs.Smorgasbord politics.
Gun control, but safer cities.
Racial quotas, but racial harmony.
Nationalized health care, but better health care.
More welfare, but more self-esteem.
Less defense, but more respect.
Probably the closest thing to Smorgasbord Poltics is a "populist": he's in favor of whatever is popular, even when it's contradictory. It appeals to voters who think they want to be represented by someone no smarter than a weather vane.
Naturally 'I don’t know'.
'I don’t know' naturally.
Circle equals square degenerating placemarker.
Inert thread placemarker.
Why isn't "nert" the opposite of "inert"?
As long as they believe in limited government, I'll accept them in the party.
That's great. Now you're going to get someone saying that "evolution" (or maybe "evolutinism or some similar bastardization) "can be dangerous for your health" with a reference to Nazi Germany or some other horrific event that was not actually based on the theory of evolution but is often wrongly attributed to the theory by ignorant creationists.
They always say it, notwithstanding the evidence that Hitler was a creationist, and was most definitely not a biologist. So why not present the flip side? The People's Temple freaks were creationists, as well as being Marxists.
For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.Source: Book 2, Chapter 10, Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.
-- Adolph Hitler, creationist
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