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THE BATTLE OF ATLANTA: Civilians were Sherman's targets
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 07/16/04 | JOHN A. TURES

Posted on 07/18/2004 8:40:59 PM PDT by canalabamian

Not only was William Tecumseh Sherman guilty of many of the crimes that some apologists portray as "tall tales," but also his specter seems to haunt the scandal-ridden halls of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Sherman had a relatively poor record battling armies. His lack of preparation nearly destroyed Union forces at Shiloh. He was repulsed at Chickasaw Bluffs, losing an early opportunity to capture Vicksburg, Miss. The result was a bloody campaign that dragged on for months. He was blocked by Gen. Pat Cleburne at the Battle of Chattanooga and needed to be bailed out by Gen. George Thomas' Army of the Cumberland. His troops were crushed by rebel forces in the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain.

But Sherman knew how to make war against civilians. After the capture of Atlanta, he engaged in policies similar to ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia by expelling citizens from their homes. "You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war," he told the fleeing population. Today, Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for similar actions in Kosovo.

An article on Sherman in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution last spring asserted that Sherman attacked acceptable military targets "by the standards of war at the time." This seems to assume that human rights were invented with the creation of the United Nations. But Gen. Grant did not burn Virginia to the ground. Gen. Lee did not burn Maryland or Pennsylvania when he invaded. Both sought to destroy each other's armies instead of making war against women and children, as Sherman did.

After promising to "make Georgia . . . howl," Sherman continued such policies in the Carolinas. Not only did he preside over the burning of Columbia, but he also executed several prisoners of war in retaliation for the ambush of one of his notorious foraging parties. While Andersonville's camp commander, Henry Wirz, was found guilty of conspiracy to impair the health and destroy the life of prisoners and executed, nothing like that happened to Sherman.

According to an article by Maj. William W. Bennett, Special Forces, U.S. Army, Sherman turned his attention to a new soft target after the Civil War: Native Americans. Rather than engage Indian fighters, Sherman again preferred a strategy of killing noncombatants. After an ambush of a military detachment by Red Cloud's tribe, Sherman said, "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children."

Bennett notes that Sherman carried out his campaign with brutal efficiency. On the banks of the Washita River, Gen. George Armstrong Custer massacred a village of the friendly Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle, who had located to a reservation. Sherman was quoted as saying, "The more we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed the next war, for the more I see of these Indians, the more convinced I am that they all have to be killed or maintained as a species of paupers. Their attempts at civilization are simply ridiculous."

Such slaughter was backed by the extermination of the buffalo as a means of depriving the men, women and children with a source of food. Many Native Americans not killed by Sherman's troopers were forced onto reservations or exiled to Florida to face swamps and disease.

Now we have learned about the abuse of prisoners in Iraq. Such events may seem unrelated, were it not for reports that Sherman's policies are still taught to West Point cadets as an example of how to break an enemy's will to fight.

Are we therefore shocked by the acts of barbarity against Iraqi detainees? As long as we honor Sherman, teach his tactics and revise history to excuse his actions, we can expect more examples of torture and savagery against noncombatants we encounter in other countries.

John Tures is an assistant professor of political science at LaGrange College who was born in Wisconsin, opposes the 1956 Georgia flag and still has a low opinion of Sherman.


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To: Non-Sequitur
"No, but it does settle stand waite's claim that the captain and the entire crew were from New England, wouldn't it"

Apparently so, if your claim that the books states that all the crew was American or foreign - since foreigners aren't from New England. Very slick evasion, since that avoids addressing my question on the state of origin/citizenship of the Americans in the crew. What's it say about that? Hey, you're actually familiar with the sources you use to back up your claims, aren't you? Then it'd be simple to answer, instead of evade, again.

"And since he did claim that the ship was home ported in New Bedford, perhaps he can settle the question that is vexing you so much by providing his support."

Stand is man enough to name a source, unequivocally state that his source does, in fact, say the home port was New Bedford. You challenged that, with fleeting references to some book you say disproves it. To do so, the book would have to state that the homeport was someplace other than New Bedford, and would have to say what the homeport was.

Yet you still won't state at all what your book says the homeport is. Instead, you've said where it was built (doesn't make it the homeport - evasion); that it once set sail from Charleston (doesn't make it the homeport - evasion) and that Charleston is as good a homeport as any (doesn't make it the homeport - evasion). And that was just for starters!

It was a simple little thing, yet look at all that dodging! That's the behavior of one who knows he's made outlandish claims he can't substantiate, and can then only try to bludgeon others into accepting them at face value.
661 posted on 07/26/2004 12:13:20 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Non-Sequitur
"No, I'm arguing with you. You made the claim. There is no evidence supporting it.

I've been willing to pay your way for that little trip to South Carolina.

Don't you get what this has been about yet? Oh, that's too funny.

BCNU
662 posted on 07/26/2004 12:17:57 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Badeye
"Whatever...."

.... and another one bites the dust ...
663 posted on 07/26/2004 12:22:25 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: stand watie
every day that passes, more black men/women & other minorities cleave to the Cross of St Andrew & decide that they favor dixie LIBERTY!

Wow. You actually believe that blacks in this country would fight under the Confederate banner.

And you believe that Southerners want to try to secede again.

Man, you're delusional.

664 posted on 07/26/2004 12:26:14 PM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: stand watie
"YOU aren't SMART enought to debate my posts, so you call me, and every other loyal southron on FR, NAMES. that's really DUMB, badeye. just DUMB! even for a damnyankee, DUMB!

begone to DU; they like DUMBbunnies over there.


It wouldn't surprise me to learn some of them came from there.

This latest crop makes Wlat look brilliant. BTW, what's he up to these days? Campaigning for Kerry or something like that?
665 posted on 07/26/2004 12:36:21 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Modernman

Ought to get out from inside the beltway sometime.


666 posted on 07/26/2004 12:39:26 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC
Ought to get out from inside the beltway sometime.

Hey, when the city fathers of Richmond are in favor of a Lincoln memorial at the old Tredegar site, I think we can well and truly conclude that the Civil War is a settled issue.

But you go ahead and keep dreaming of an independent South. LOL.

667 posted on 07/26/2004 12:41:49 PM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
"But you go ahead and keep dreaming of an independent South. LOL."

Haven't you heard? It's New England and parts of the Great Lakes states that are going to secede from the United States. Their insurrection will be dealt with accordingly.
668 posted on 07/26/2004 12:57:17 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC

Nobody is seceding from anyone. Except Hawaii, maybe.


669 posted on 07/26/2004 1:04:31 PM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman

Not my problem that you weren't paying attention. :)


670 posted on 07/26/2004 1:06:22 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC

I read the analogy. It was silly.


671 posted on 07/26/2004 1:18:23 PM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman

That's right. It was silly, as were all the ideas and attitudes illustrated in it. That was the point. Glad you got it.



672 posted on 07/26/2004 1:51:32 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC

"Whatever...."

".... and another one bites the dust ..."

Hardly.


673 posted on 07/27/2004 6:25:26 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Modernman
you bet your sweet bippy they will, if the damnyankee RADICAL LEFTIES keep pushing ABORTION (88% of black southerners, according to a survey by GSU, oppose ABORTION for any reason except to save the LIFE of the mother), more government INTERFERENCE in southern lives, more attacks on the CHURCH/MOSQUE/SYNAGOGUE, more attacks on MARRIAGE (>90% OPPOSE "gay marriage: under ANY circumstances), etc,etc,etc.

EVERY major racial, religious & social grouping in the south is DISGUSTED with the damnedyankee-controlled & NOSEY government making decisions for us, our homes, our schools, our religious institutions, our bodies, etc.

secession is the last resort for ALL of us. period, end of story.

free dixie,sw

674 posted on 07/27/2004 8:47:27 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Wampus SC
YEP!

wp is working in the HANOI-John campaign.

free dixie,sw

675 posted on 07/27/2004 8:48:21 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Modernman
the PEOPLE of Richmond DID NOT favor the lincoln statue.

the city council, otoh, is in the hands of the LEFTIST, hateFILLED DIMocRAT party & the social/academic elites of Richmond. they are OUT OF STEP with the majority of Richmonders.

i'd like to remind you that the council put the Arthur Ashe statue on Monument Ave, AGAINST the wishes of HIS WIDOW & HIS FAMILY. (i have seen a copy of the letter she wrote to them.)

free dixie,sw

676 posted on 07/27/2004 8:57:56 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Modernman
prepare yourself for the secession of Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan!

that will happen within 10-15 years.

what would YOU favor doing to keep the latino-dominated state governments of AZ,CA & NM from leaving????? NUCLEAR WEAPONS, POISON GAS or something worse????

may i remind you that to keep the southland under the foot of the damnyankees, you did scorched earth last time.

free dixie,sw

677 posted on 07/27/2004 9:02:15 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
what would YOU favor doing to keep the latino-dominated state governments of AZ,CA & NM from leaving????? NUCLEAR WEAPONS, POISON GAS or something worse????

I think the American military could do that with just conventional weapons.

What's with the multiple question marks?

678 posted on 07/27/2004 9:06:14 AM PDT by Modernman ("I have nothing to declare except my genius." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: cyborg
see 602.

free dixie,sw

679 posted on 07/27/2004 9:22:17 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: cyborg
see 674.

free dixie,sw

680 posted on 07/27/2004 9:23:28 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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