Posted on 07/09/2004 4:44:38 AM PDT by abu afak
Catholic Church equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
Haaretz Correspondent
The Catholic Church condemned anti-Zionism as a cover for anti-Semitism by means of a joint statement issued by a forum of Catholic-Jewish intellectuals this week.
The announcement was made at a gathering of religious, academic and other leading Jewish and Catholic figures in Buenos Aires.
"We oppose anti-Semitism in any way and form, including anti-Zionism that has become of late a manifestation of anti-Semitism," the statement said.
This is the first time that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism have been equated by the Catholic Church.
The statement also includes a stern condemnation of terrorism, particularly terror in the name of faith.
"Terror is a sin against man and against God. Fundamentalist terrorism in the name of God has no justification and cannot be justified."
Ilan Steinberg, director of the World Jewish Congress, one of the forum's organizers, described the joint statement as "an historic moment."
"For the first time, the Catholic Church recognizes in anti-Zionism an attack not only against Jews, but against the whole Jewish people."
Senior Jewish figures called the announcement a significant, public statement of support by the Catholic Church in the face of anti-Zionism.
"In the past, Zionism was equated with racism, and this statement turns anti-Zionism statements to a form of racism," a Jewish leader said in New York.
The statement joins a prior European Union announcement and UN declaration of war against anti-Semitism as part of a global front fighting the scourge.
Thanks for not asking about his bris. As an ADL-JDL-Kach-Kahane Chai agent, I don't need to hear about that.
You might suggest harrowup works on allegations of membership in the ADL or JDL, those aren't crimes, and lay of the assasination threats. He can even accuse me of being a Bilderberger. Or a Democrat! But assassanition is a bit close to the line.
Sorry harrowup, I meant to include you in 122. My sincere apologies, though you are forgetable.
Actually, I think it's rabbit. Rabid rabbit. He may have met Jimmy Carter once.
"Anti-Zionists. But We Have Nothing Against the Jews as Such"
ChronWatch ^ | 9/12/2003 | Dr. Steven Plaut
Posted on 12/26/2003 4:23:08 PM PST by abu afak
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1047063/posts
"Anti-Zionists. But We Have Nothing Against the Jews as Such"
Posted by Dr. Steven Plaut Friday, September 12, 2003
Say What? Anti-Semites? Who, us anti-Zionists? Us? We have nothing against Jews as such. We just hate Zionism and Zionists. We think Israel does not have a right to exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Heavens to Mergatroyd. Marx Forbid. We are humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers.
Anti-Semitism is the hatred of Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism and Israeli policies. The two have nothing to do with one another. Venus and Mars. Night and Day. Trust us.
Sure, we think the only country on the earth that must be annihilated is Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
Sure, we think that the only children on earth whose being blown up is OK if it serves a good cause are Jewish children. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
Sure we think that if Palestinians have legitimate grievances this entitles them to mass murder Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
Naturally, we think that the only people on earth who should never be allowed to exercise the right of self-defense are the Jews. Jews should only resolve the aggression against them through capitulation, never through self-defense. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We only denounce racist apartheid in the one country in the Middle East that is NOT a racist apartheid country. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We refuse to acknowledge the Jews as a people, and think they are only a religion. We do not have an answer to how people who do NOT practice the Jewish religion can still be regarded as Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We think that all peoples have the right to self-determination, except Jews, and including even the make-pretend Palestinian ''people.'' But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We hate it when people blame the victims, except of course when people blame the Jews for the jihads and terrorist campaigns against them. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We think the only country in the Middle East that is a fascist anti-democratic one is the one that has free elections. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We demand that the only country in the Middle East with free speech, free press, or free courts be destroyed. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We oppose military aggression, except when it is directed at Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We really understand suicide bombers who murder bus loads of Jewish children and we insist that their demands be met in full. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We think the only conflict on earth that must be solved through dismembering one of the parties to that conflict is the one involving Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We do not think that Jews have any human rights that need to be respected and especially not the right to ride a bus without being murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
There are Jewish leftist anti-Zionists and we consider this proof that anti-Zionists could not possibly be anti-Semitic. Not even the ones who cheer when Jews are mass murdered. These are the only Jews we think need be acknowledged or respected. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We do not think murder proves how righteous and just the cause of the murderer is, except when it comes to murderers of Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We do not think the Jews are entitled to their own state and must submit to being a minority in a Rwanda-style ''bi-national state,'' although no other state on earth, including the 22 Arab countries, should be similarly expected to be deprived of its sovereignty. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We think that Israel's having a Jewish majority and a star on its flag makes it a racist apartheid state. We do not think any other country having an ethnic-religious majority or having crosses or crescents or ''Allah Akbar'' on its flag is racist or needs dismemberment. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We condemn the ''mistreatment'' of women in the only country of the Middle East in which they are not mistreated. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We condemn the ''mistreatment'' of minorities in the only country in the Middle East in which minorities are NOT brutally suppressed and mass murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We demand equal citizen rights, which is why the only country in the Middle East in need of extermination is the only one in which they exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
We have no trouble with the fact that there is no freedom of religion in any Arab countries. But we are mad at hell at Israel for violating religious freedom, and never mind that we are never quite sure where or when it does so. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
So how can you possibly say we are anti-Semites? We are simply anti-Zionists. We seek peace and justice, that's all. And surely that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.
http://www.chronwatch.com/featured/contentDisplay.asp?aid=4216&mode=print
Pig.
I think you forgot you're not posting on LP or DU. We don't post crap like that here.
No serious debater tosses out charges of racism like beads at a
Mardi Gras parade (and it looks like your whole ping li-- sorry -- "gang" were blessed with that tag) --- you can't take anyone like that seriously.
I think you just did.
Now that you've joined the gang to further demonstrate my point it should be very clear to any objective observer that your hive has been disturbed and like killer bees and fireants you are making yourselves hyperventilate and if it wasn't so pathetic and happening on the best board on the net, then I would laugh.
But, duty calls and you need to answer the same question I've put to the earlier ribbon counter jumpers and ankle biters.
1. Have you ever condemned the murder of Mr. Rabin?
2. Have you ever condemned the actions of the JDL?
Now, boys and girls, when you have all had some time to consider how ugly you've remained please take the time to answer my questions and we can move on to more important matters. Like why the fence is a good idea and the WC should butt out.
I answered Dr. Admiral Harrowup, Esq.
Some open questions remain in post 120, open for days now.
You appear to be vacant.
No I don't need to answer any of your stupid questions. The burden of proof is on you since you are the one who made up the silly accusations.
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is not just a good idea, boychick, it's the law.
Now put on your deerstalker hat and don't forget to take your magnifying glass and your cocaine fix and go hunt up some clues, Mr. Holmes.
I correctly referred to your postings as "crap." I didn't personally attack you. Calling people "disgusting" and "pigs" and baseless accusations of racism (which you still haven't backed up is "crap." I think that would be very clear to the objective observer.
Now that you've joined the gang to further demonstrate my point it should be very clear to any objective observer that your hive has been disturbed and like killer bees and fireants you are making yourselves hyperventilate and if it wasn't so pathetic and happening on the best board on the net, then I would laugh.
I am so sorry you can't take objective criticism. I am not part of some black horde summoned to victimize you, and you don't even know my beliefs towards Israel, so don't assume you do.
Do you not understand that any logical argument you may be trying to make has been obscured by your baseless personal attacks?
Do you think any conservative wants to hear you out after you spout "racist bigot" for the twelfth time without even the slightest scintilla of proof?
Are you aware that yelling "racism" is not a debate tactic -- it is an attempt to shut down debate?
I'll tell you right now, I condemn the murder of Rabin. I don't cotton to terrorists. I don't know enough about the JDL to comment.
It's difficult trying to find objective information about the Israel/Palestine conflict. You are NOT helping with your rhetoric.
That was just the right touch for ths thread,thanks.
Contrary to the conventional wisdom of Sammy's 'research' I've been around here a long time and have most often tried to reason with conservatives who go over board with their criticism of the left. It doesn't help the conservative agenda to demonize those whose beliefs are off center. I don't have a problem with hyperbolic demolition of the extreme fringes, especially those that have reached the level of common terrorists and thugs on the right and the left..
Pat Buchanan is a racist bigot. So is the message of the Congressional Black Caucus. They both enjoy free speech. It's not my fault that the general media doesn't dare question the high and mighty in the CBC. They are racists, pure and simple. I am not certain they are bigots since I have not taken the time to get that close to their religious tenets.
The point is that we are guilty of racism everytime we condemn a entire species for the actions of a few simply because they are in the same group. We are bigots if we describe other religious beliefs as abominations. Who gets the most criticism? The Catholics, Jews and Muslims simply because their faith is so strong and close to the surface. The Christian Fundamentalists have come under more attack ever since the Reverends Falwell and Robertson became lightning rods for exposing the rot infesting the left. Many on the left believe they are bigots and racists. I don't. And as a matter of fact I find their messages to be generally on the positive side.
The 'proof' you seek is in the postings of many of SJackson's attack list who condemn all Muslims and Palestinians out of hand and accuse traditionally liberal American Jews as self-hating simply because we have hopes for a different solution to solving the terrible puzzle in the ME. Are some of Sammy's list more obnoxiously racist than others? Sure. Donald is a screaming loon. You? I don't believe I've ever come across your stuff before and if I have and replied I have no memory of it...However. Get this straight. If you are a member of Sammy's list and you have not objected to some of his and Donald's more absurd rants then you are guilty of allowing your message to become one with the pluguglies.
Guilt by association is unfair but if you are going to live in a sewer you are going to smell.
Are you aware that yelling "racism" is not a debate tactic -- it is an attempt to shut down debate?
If you believe serious debate can or does take place on internet forums then you need to study forensics and not the Klugman variety.
I'll tell you right now, I condemn the murder of Rabin.
Thanks. You are one of the first on this thread to say that.
I don't cotton to terrorists. I don't know enough about the JDL to comment.
For starters the JDL is on the SPLC list of hate groups (along with the KKK and various skinhead operations.
It's difficult trying to find objective information about the Israel/Palestine conflict. You are NOT helping with your rhetoric.
If you think the gang attacks by the likes appearing here are helping then you haven't bothered to read what I say, and what Sammy and his crew claim I say.
I'll repeat one more time. I don't like the settlements. I don't like Kahane. I don't like the JDL. I don't like Abe Foxman of the west coast ADL. I am a member of the ADL and I don't know anyone I've associated with over the years who likes Abe either. I've never accused Sammy of being an 'agent' of the ADL. I don't think we have any. But I will accuse him of coddling the hate mongers and sickos of the JDL if he does not condemn their acts of hate and violence. There is some other loon here or at LP who purports to view himself as a "...virile Hebrew warrior..." which may get him some chicks in Haifa but it makes me ill to think that some scrawny little twit fantasizes about being a real tough hombre.
Finally. I say again. Duke, Jackson, Nix2, dennisw, veronica and Alouette consistently operate as a gang. In descending order they are obnoxious liars and thugs and I would include abuafak if I could understand him. You may or may not be but if you don't want the stigma attached to you then you need to tell the jerks here assembled that they need to think about what good they think they are doing by gang banging anyone who disagrees with their agenda.
Allow me to give you an example. I loved Golda Meir. I respected the sacrifices Begin made and his stewardship. I admired Rabin. I tolerate Perez, loathe Sharon and wish Netanyahu hadn't developed such high priced tastes serving here which led him down the greedy path, so unlike most Israeli politicians.
As to the loudmouths on the West Coast that include Babs and her ilk I have nothing but contempt for them. But just as Sammy and Donald don't get to decide who is a Jew and who isn't, I don't get to decide who is a Democrat and who isn't. I wish we were all back where we were when the AFL-CIO included men like Reuther and they were the bulwark of the Democratic Party. Well, that isn't true anymore and we are stuck with some really disgusting creatures including all the Clintons and their cronies, Chuckie in the Senate and Silver in the State Senate...But I still like Koch and Dinkins and don't like Giulianni.
I believe we can all serve together as long as the rules allow for some elements of gray. I've never voted a straight ticket in my life and I don't insist on the purity of mind in all the folks I know...and finally I like President Bush and just wish he would can some of the jerks in his employ starting with Rumsfeld and ending with Ashcroft...but, I will do anything I can afford to avoid Kerry/Edwards...but I will still support the return of the Congress to Democratic control. You Republicans are just too damn stupid to legislate...and that is said even while donating to Mr. Hasterts campaigns over the years. It is a shame he has to work with such goons as Delay and bingo cards like Hatch.
That's it. If you don't appreciate my taking the time to reply then you can move along and take a shot. I really don't try to make friends on the net anymore; too many disappointments.
Liars and thugs.
Your proof? Of any of your charges? Or of your resume?
Liars, Dr. Admiral, JD, Put up or shut up *sshole.
The fact that you are lying about me is proof that your intent is hardly in keeping with the notion you have hoisted on this board.
Not sure what the unwritten rule is anymore but it used to be that anything that SG, aka Mojo and his band of maggots would say about anyone was a lie and not welcome here. But you can keep trying to restore his reputation. Did you know that Mojo has accused JR of being a crook?
You want the truth you'll have to learn some manners and stop flying around with all your monkeys.
Beyond that I am always pleased to note that the simpering little bullies and thugs like you and your gang always go out of your way to prove you're just a touch more stupid than evil, which has probably saved you many beatings around the block...and we aren't talking Crown Heights.
Now hush.
LOL. Looks like I've missed the last few meetings of "the gang", but I do have my secret decoder ring with me.
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