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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: AndrewC
Plant 'em.

I see you work for Microsoft in the QA department.

701 posted on 07/07/2004 10:21:54 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Alamo-Girl
The wikipedia discussion of life points out some of the problems with trying to create definitions for borderline cases. The real world doesn't neatly pigeonhole itself into clearcut cases.

Does one want to call a mountain range "living"? They do grow, move, emit offspring, etc.

The hills are going somewhere;
They have been on the way a long time.
They are like camels in a line
But they move more slowly.

- Hilda Conkling

702 posted on 07/07/2004 10:25:52 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138
I see you work for Microsoft in the QA department.

No, but everything that Microsoft makes is alive.

 
Because of all the bugs.
703 posted on 07/07/2004 10:26:07 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Just take two skin cells, one alive, one dead and describe the difference between them.

In the dead one, the biochemical machinery has ceased to operate.

704 posted on 07/07/2004 10:27:29 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: AndrewC

Dead meat can also have bugs.


705 posted on 07/07/2004 10:28:02 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138
Thanks for your reply and question!

What would you say about a snipet of DNA that is excised from one cell and inserted into a viable, reproducing line of creatures, possibly of another order?

I would roughly equate that to taking a program off of my computer and putting it on yours. Both computers are still computers which operate - you just got a little extra software and perhaps can now do more or do things differently. Of course, if it were a computer virus it might also destroy your computer.

706 posted on 07/07/2004 10:30:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I would roughly equate that to taking a program off of my computer and putting it on yours.

Is an anthrax spore alive?

707 posted on 07/07/2004 10:31:41 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Dead meat can also have bugs.

Well, then dead meat with bugs is alive. Dead meat with dead bugs is not alive. But dead meat is not living.

708 posted on 07/07/2004 10:31:43 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: AndrewC

As a software developer, my motto was, If it compiles, ship it.


709 posted on 07/07/2004 10:31:59 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138

Unfortunately my environment insisted on variation and selection.


710 posted on 07/07/2004 10:34:14 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138
As a software developer, my motto was, If it compiles, ship it.

Ewwww. Well, you do meet the shipping date that way.

711 posted on 07/07/2004 10:34:17 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Ichneumon
Is an anthrax spore alive?

Yes. It is in a dormant state (like a stand by mode) but still communicates with itself and the environment, when a food supply exists (like in a human lung) - it comes out of the dormant state.

712 posted on 07/07/2004 10:51:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138

The phrase was "relatively simple" meaning simple relative to the complex metabolism.


713 posted on 07/07/2004 10:54:46 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa
The phrase was "relatively simple" meaning simple relative to the complex metabolism.

I don't understand. Does this mean that parasites living on a more complex host are not alive? I am not trying to trivialize this question. Life on earth is interconnected, and it makes no sense to me to assert that an entity such as a virus or prion is not alive, simply because it depends on a host for metabolism.

714 posted on 07/07/2004 11:00:59 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Ichneumon; betty boop
Fascinating. To the thought experiment I raised “Just take two skin cells, one alive, one dead and describe the difference between them” your responses were very similar:

Doctor Stochastic: The "live" cell will be generally more active than the "dead" cell. (Chemical reactions going on, etc.)

Ichneumon: In the dead one, the biochemical machinery has ceased to operate.

What Doctor Stochastic calls being “active” and what Ichneumon calls “operating” is what I have been reading as “information”, i.e. “successful communication”. Or in the newer (albeit somewhat less communicative) Shannon based definition “decrease in uncertainty”.

Both of you have prejudiced your verb choice with biochemical causation. But it seems to me that suggesting cause is circular reasoning and thus should not be a factor in answering the question, especially since both the live and dead cells have the same basic chemical composition and DNA.

"Activity" or "operation" are fairly close to "information" but IMHO fall short in that you could shake a dead skin cell like a martini and it would still not be alive. IOW, such activity or operation must be also be autonomous and meaningful. Therefore, I prefer the word I see used most often to describe it: information (successful communication). The dead skin cell has ceased to communicate.

715 posted on 07/07/2004 11:11:03 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: laredo44

that isnt science, thats morals and philosphy.


716 posted on 07/07/2004 11:37:18 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Doctor Stochastic

"almost" does not = "is"


717 posted on 07/07/2004 11:37:53 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: tortoise

you think Adam was a Jew? no, Man simply had an understanding of God then. after a few chances to redeem themselves, God laid down the Law and formed the Jewish Nation. thus "salvation" was possible.

if you anti-Creationists like, you can replace "salvation" with "reasoning"


718 posted on 07/07/2004 11:41:46 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: tortoise

if it exists soemwhere, it must be able to exist with us as well. the idea that we all originated from a single point would lead me to assume here is as good as there.


719 posted on 07/07/2004 11:43:05 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
Man simply had an understanding of God then. after a few chances to redeem themselves, God laid down the Law and formed the Jewish Nation. thus "salvation" was possible.

So what happened in the prior 10,000 years or so of civilization? Was it impossible for salvation in that time? This is a perfectly serious question. An odd one, but serious. God being God, it isn't like there was a shortage of time to introduce one's self. What took so long that it was necessary to condemn millions without so much as an opportunity to even know that God existed?

720 posted on 07/07/2004 11:46:03 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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