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Science Icon Fires Broadside At Creationists
London Times vis The Statesman (India) ^ | 04 July 2004 | Times of London Editorial

Posted on 07/04/2004 5:19:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

Professor Ernst Mayr, the scientist renowned as the father of modern biology, will celebrate his 100th birthday tomorrow by leading a scathing attack on creationism.

The evolutionary biologist, who is already acclaimed as one of the most prolific researchers of all time, has no intention of retiring and is shortly to publish new research that dismantles the fashionable creationist doctrine of “intelligent design”.

Although he has reluctantly cut his workload since a serious bout of pneumonia 18 months ago, Prof. Mayr has remained an active scientist at Harvard University throughout his 90s. He has written five books since his 90th birthday and is researching five academic papers. One of these, scheduled to appear later this year, will examine how “intelligent design” — the latest way in which creationists have sought to present a divine origin of the world — was thoroughly refuted by Charles Darwin a century and a half ago.

His work is motivated in part by a sense of exasperation at the re-emergence of creationism in the USA, which he compares unfavourably with the widespread acceptance of evolution that he encountered while growing up in early 20th-century Germany.

The states of Florida, Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Oklahoma currently omit the word “evolution” from their curriculums. The Alabama state board of education has voted to include disclaimers in textbooks describing evolution as a theory. In Georgia, the word “evolution” was banned from the science curriculum after the state’s schools superintendent described it as a “controversial buzzword”.

Fierce protest, including criticism from Jimmy Carter, the former President, reversed this.

Prof. Mayr, who will celebrate his 100th birthday at his holiday home in New Hampshire with his two daughters, five grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren, was born on 5 July 1905 in Kempten, Germany. He took a PhD in zoology at the University of Berlin, before travelling to New Guinea in 1928 to study its diverse bird life. On his return in 1930 he emigrated to the USA. His most famous work, Systematics and the Origin of Species, was published in 1942 and is regarded still as a canonical work of biology.

It effectively founded the modern discipline by combining Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection with Gregor Mendel’s genetics, showing how the two were compatible. Prof. Mayr redefined what scientists mean by a species, using interbreeding as a guide. If two varieties of duck or vole do not interbreed, they cannot be the same species.

Prof. Mayr has won all three of the awards sometimes termed the “triple crown” of biology — the Balzan Prize, the Crafoord Prize and the International Prize for Biology. Although he formally retired in 1975, he has been active as an Emeritus Professor ever since and has recently written extensively on the philosophy of biology.


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To: PatrickHenry

Where are the products that have come from "creation science"?

modern English. guns. the printing press. the common laws (ie, Ten Commandments)

It's a strange "science" indeed that does nothing, explains nothing, conducts no research, predicts nothing, yet demands a place at the table.

stranger still is that no science provides inventions excpet technology science. no science provides equations except math. no science provides hope and a universal truth that has been understood for eons before Aristotle thought about the stars.

science "proves" we as humans all share a common ancestry. the Bible said that in the times of Abraham and before.

science is meerly a means. God is the end.


181 posted on 07/05/2004 8:22:06 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Dimensio

similarly, the theory that 1+1=2 does NOT include 2+2=4!

you followed the logic so far, only to stop at the doorstep. if the logic is true, it is true all the way. what about the whole spectrum scares you so much? can you just not comprehend the idea that something is better than you? are you affraid of answering a simple question that relates to your supported hypothesis?

you say you claim evolution as factual in life. ok then. what step does evolution take in the actual production of life? (not changing of it, but formation)

also, think about this.

if you sat down and looked at several animals and on the list you saw an animal with no supperior strength, no natural camoflage (pink is hardly aundant in wildlife), no hard teeth, exceptional speed, flying or underwater thriving abilities: in other words, it is defenseless as well as fairly harmless.

would you pick THIS animal to survive enough generations to produce weapons and then fire and eventually, dominate the world? according to evolution and evolution alone, we should have died shortly after climbing out of the trees!


182 posted on 07/05/2004 8:31:45 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: PatrickHenry
"...and certainly not as impressive as Jack Chick's..."

Oh, can it. Using Chick as your "stereotypical Christian creationist" is so pathetically lame and transparent as to be laughable. Try harder, damn it.

183 posted on 07/05/2004 8:33:09 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Dimensio

i will follow you far enough to say it does not include it, but the thoughts lead to it, and the question is still raised.


184 posted on 07/05/2004 8:37:15 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: balrog666

how much volume does thought take up?

what is the mass of a soul? (yes, i stole this one)

where does quantum physics begin and standard physics end?

why is art valued?

why did we bother to make things more complicated (and thereby reducing our efficient use of energy) by evoloving?

if matter is lazy, why does it sometimes live?


185 posted on 07/05/2004 8:45:23 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Dimensio

"Actually, in many cases the assumptions can be put to test."

yes, and in all cases, tests can provide something unexpected, despite the person performing the test using a textbook example.


186 posted on 07/05/2004 8:47:29 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: PatrickHenry
This "Professor" (given that he's now 100) is about to meet his Maker. He's in for a very unpleasant, and eternal..., surprise.

Talk about a wasted life.

;-/

187 posted on 07/05/2004 8:48:55 PM PDT by Gargantua
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placemarker


188 posted on 07/05/2004 8:52:55 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: balrog666
"Crackpots come in all sizes."

As do doggedly opinionated imbeciles, eh?

There are none so blind as he who refuses to see.

;-/

189 posted on 07/05/2004 8:55:23 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: dmcnash
I have a degree in biology and 5+ years graduate work and I have never heard of this guy?

To what do you attribute your ignorance? Did you not read widely enough?

190 posted on 07/05/2004 9:01:02 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: af_vet_1981
They worship Charles Darwin, ergo they believe in him as their creator. They are just too fey and gay to realize it.

Please be more specific if you wish to make wild accusations about homosexuality. You are showing a typical Creationist tendency to just call names rather than engage in normal conversation.

No one on this thread has ever claimed that Darwin was a Creator. Your lack of distinction between a deity and a person does lessen the effect of any points you were trying to make.

191 posted on 07/05/2004 9:07:53 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dimensio
"If you're trying to get life forms without them being created by a previous generation of life forms, you can't use evolution theory to explain it."

I see.

So how about what The Theory of Evolution refers to as the first forms of life? If your above-quoted statement is correct, even those "first" life forms had to come from another... or, to quote you (again), "you can't use evolution theory to explain it [them]."

Perhaps that previous life form was... God?

Your above quote is, like The Theory it struggles to defend, intellecto-phlegm feebly disguised as self-important, self defeating gibberish. Garbage in, garbage out.

;-/

192 posted on 07/05/2004 9:10:49 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: MacDorcha
similarly, the theory that 1+1=2 does NOT include 2+2=4!

"1+1=2" is not a theory.

you followed the logic so far, only to stop at the doorstep. if the logic is true, it is true all the way.

Could you possibly relate this to the topic at hand.

what about the whole spectrum scares you so much?

I'm not afraid. I simply understand that the scope of the theory of evolution does not include abiogenesis. Evolution is a theory with a very specific and defined scope. It does not address events beyond its scope.

you say you claim evolution as factual in life.

It is the best theory given current observed evidence.

ok then. what step does evolution take in the actual production of life? (not changing of it, but formation)

None whatsoever. The ultimate origins of the first life forms where there were no life forms before is not address by evolution. Evolution only occurs when existing life forms make imperfect copies of themselevs. Because the ultimate origins of life involve, in at least one step, a point where there are no life forms at all (much less life forms making imperfect copies of themselves), evolution does not apply.

if you sat down and looked at several animals and on the list you saw an animal with no supperior strength, no natural camoflage (pink is hardly aundant in wildlife), no hard teeth, exceptional speed, flying or underwater thriving abilities: in other words, it is defenseless as well as fairly harmless.

would you pick THIS animal to survive enough generations to produce weapons and then fire and eventually, dominate the world? according to evolution and evolution alone, we should have died shortly after climbing out of the trees!


So you're saying that the human brain is not, in any way, a survival advantage?
193 posted on 07/05/2004 9:13:53 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: MacDorcha
its lasted longest.

Thoth will appreciate your endorsement of teaching Egyptian Creation stories.

194 posted on 07/05/2004 9:14:19 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Gargantua
So how about what The Theory of Evolution refers to as the first forms of life? If your above-quoted statement is correct, even those "first" life forms had to come from another... or, to quote you (again), "you can't use evolution theory to explain it [them]."

The theory of evolution does not address how the first life forms came into existence. It only works when life forms exist. Anything beyond that is outside of the scope of evolution.

Perhaps that previous life form was... God?

If you want to suggest such a thing, fine. Just don't expect me to believe that you've a scientific theory for it. Even if you did, it wouldn't be part of the theory of evolution.

Your above quote is, like The Theory it struggles to defend, intellecto-phlegm feebly disguised as self-important, self defeating gibberish. Garbage in, garbage out.

The fact that you don't like the scope of evolution does not falsify the theory.
195 posted on 07/05/2004 9:18:48 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: MacDorcha
yes, and in all cases, tests can provide something unexpected, despite the person performing the test using a textbook example.

Yes, and the unexpected tests typically lead to new theories or revisions of current theories.

Do you have a point?
196 posted on 07/05/2004 9:19:43 PM PDT by Dimensio (Join the Monthly Internet Flash Mob: http://tinyurl.com/3xj9m)
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To: af_vet_1981

This the second time on this thread that you have called people gay. What is your obsession with homosexuality? What does your obsession have to do with the topic at hand?


197 posted on 07/05/2004 9:20:30 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: balrog666

I predict that not one Creationist will criticize this guy for (at least twice) calling people gay. Name calling is part and parcel of the Creationist method it seems. (As is the silence of approval given by others.)

One reason not to teach Creationism in schools would be to keep this kind of comment out of the business of teaching.


198 posted on 07/05/2004 9:23:38 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Sola Veritas
Intelligence implies a designer.

Then you would not object to a teacher pointing out what a poor job of design it was.

199 posted on 07/05/2004 9:25:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. if he doesn't believe in creation, I would surmise he doesn't believe in A CREATOR either.

He will. Even Darwin is a fervent believer these days.

MM

200 posted on 07/05/2004 9:31:14 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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