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To: Just another Joe; Gabz

Using this political fantasy that laws somehow rob people of their free will, here is their argument to its logical conclusion: "Laws against bank-robbery rob would-be bank robbers of their free will choice of whether to rob or not. They are just zombies without any self-control or personal responsibility in the matter."


38 posted on 05/12/2004 11:10:07 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
You'd think someone had beheaded Harry Browne from all the crying.
39 posted on 05/12/2004 11:12:14 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Cultural Jihad
And once again, it doesn't rob the property owner or the conssumer of their free will, it robs them of their right to make a choice.

You can twist words all you want to but to be able to ban a legal product, do not read outlaw, there should be a clear and scientifically proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, danger to the public.
There is no such thing in regards to ETS.

Different guidelines occur if you want to outlaw, read prohibition, a legal product.

42 posted on 05/12/2004 11:24:11 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Using this political fantasy that laws somehow rob people of their free will, here is their argument to its logical conclusion: "Laws against bank-robbery rob would-be bank robbers of their free will choice of whether to rob or not. They are just zombies without any self-control or personal responsibility in the matter."

What an illogical, anti-liberty and actually anti-American argument.

Last I checked, theft, of any kind, including bank-robbery, is and always has been a crime. Smoking, on the other hand is not now, and has never been, a crime. The principles of liberty, which our founding fathers well knew, but modern Americans--like yourself--have forgotten, is that if actions cause no harm to others then freedom dictates we permit them. Indeed, freedom dictates that government does not even have the right to forbid them.

On private property, legal activity should be permitted. Period.

If you carefully investigate the "science" on 2nd hand smoke, you'll find, its just not there. Of course the science against smoking (1st hand, if you will) is there--by the tons. However 2nd hand smoke--due to the number of variables (ventilation, numbers of smokers, airspace of the room, time in the room, frequency in the room, etc. etc.) are so great, its nearly impossible to do meaningful studies. That hasn't kept those who PREFER not to smell smoke (its not, at bottom line a health issue), from forcing, with a fascist mentality, their opinion on private property owners, and their patrons.

No one is forced to go into a particular establishment--nor are employees forced to work there--so no one is EVER forced to breath in 2nd hand smoke. Why is it an issue then?

Neurotic, feminized, freedom-hating individuals just love to run the lives of others, that's why. It's very sad that numbers of "conservatives" are among them.

59 posted on 05/12/2004 12:29:00 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Cultural Jihad
Grow up, please.

If I open a business that caters to a predominantly tobacco smoking clientele and you whining anti smokers come in and determine I can't do it and seek the power of the government to change it - you are robbing me of my and my clientele's free will.

You want a smoke-free bar, open your own and stay the heck out of mine.
85 posted on 05/12/2004 6:40:15 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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