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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Vernon; ksen; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; ...
Does God know whether or not that child's name has been written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world?

Yes he does. He knows whether or not that Child will respond to his call of grace or reject it. He knows. That it the key, Doc. He knows. He does not make that person sin against him. Neither does he make that person fall down and worship him. But he knows. That is the key. He knows. And he has known from the foundation of the earth.

Your Calvinism makes Jeffery Dahmer and Adolph Hitler true servants of the most high. They only did what God caused them to do. God does not cause men to sin against him. God does not force people to fall down and worship him. Not now anyways.

Let me ask you something Doc. You claim that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. Did he Hate Esau when Esau was a little child? And that Child that is born tomorrow. If he is not elect. If he eventually will reject the Gospel, but right now is sucking his thumb and minding his own business, does God hate him now?

BTW is it false doctrine to have children sing the song: Jesus loves the little Children? Is that a false message? Does Jesus really love the little children, all the children of the world? Or does he hate some, or even most?

131 posted on 02/09/2004 10:38:33 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG & Former member of PWAODSDNPOPTML)
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To: P-Marlowe
I guess the only answer that adequately describes the God who is lurking in the shadows of your theology is one who is not in control. He wrings his hands wondering what will happen next in his creation, and paces the figurative floors of heaven hoping that some will come to Him.

Yours is the same God who woke on 9-11 and when he looked down and saw what happened was so surprised he almost wet himself. He was incapable of interfering because he does not control any of his creation.

A ridiculous post deserves a ridiculous answer. ;-)

133 posted on 02/09/2004 10:55:07 AM PST by Gamecock (One day Marlowe will be a Calvinist)
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To: P-Marlowe
***Your Calvinism makes Jeffery Dahmer and Adolph Hitler true servants of the most high. They only did what God caused them to do. God does not cause men to sin against him. God does not force people to fall down and worship him. Not now anyways.***

Oh, great! My post gets removed, but this screed against Calvinism will remain for all to see.

Marlowe do you ever tire of turning Calvinism into this kind of crap?

Woody.
134 posted on 02/09/2004 11:06:09 AM PST by CCWoody (Recognize that all true Christians will be Calvinists in glory,...)
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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg
You claim that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. Did he Hate Esau when Esau was a little child?

Not only since he was a little child, P-Marlowe, but if you'd open your Bible and start reading Romans 9:11, you'd see that He hated Esau before Esau was even born. So the question you need to answer yourself, Marlowe, is what does a man have to do to earn God's favor, if God wills that the man perish from before his birth?

"...for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER." Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy..."

135 posted on 02/09/2004 11:29:28 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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