[Gamecock]

For consideration and discussion

[Gamecock]

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[Gamecock]

Very profound:

And as long as semi-Pelagianism -- which is simply a thinly veiled version of real Pelagianism at its core -- as long as it prevails in the Church, I don't know what's going to happen. But I know, however, what will not happen: there will not be a new Reformation. Until we humble ourselves and understand that no man is an island and that no man has an island of righteousness, that we are utterly dependent upon the unmixed grace of God for our salvation, we will not begin to rest upon grace and rejoice in the greatness of God's sovereignty, and we will not be rid of the pagan influence of humanism that exalts and puts man at the center of religion.

[jimtorr]

Beware! Spruill treads dangerously close to convincing people of the other "heresy" of modern Evangelical thought, Predestination.

Jesus, all the Apostles and all the Saints who wrote the scriptures agreed that the King of the Universe will not force his salvation on me.

I think Jesus and his Father give us the choice to reject his grace.

Didn't Jesus tell his followers to go throughout the world spreading the Good News, that all people might hear, and hearing, believe?

I hear nothing involuntary, there.

[massiveblob]

Every man has the potential for good, but the bonds of human sins and desires impede this. We can either accept God's grace and call or reject it. By accepting it those chains are broken.

[xJones]

It never really escapes the core idea of the bondage of the soul, the captivity of the human heart to sin -- that it's not simply infected by a disease that may be fatal if left untreated, but it is mortal.

But it can't be mortal if one is predestined as an elect. So why worry if all the unelect are fooling themselves? They dare think they are saved? If they were born to go to hell, it makes no differance any way. Wave bye-bye and go on.

[harbingr]

'For consideration and discussion:...'

'Once Saved Always Saved is the Devil's Perversion of Scripture'... Web Site and Book by Dan Corner...

'...also called 'Eternal Security' is a dangerous apostasy of Calvinism...

[fishtank]

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[fishtank]

"In the nineteenth century, there was a preacher who became very popular in America, who wrote a book on theology, coming out of his own training in law, in which he made no bones about his Pelagianism. He rejected not only Augustinianism, but he also rejected semi-Pelagianism and stood clearly on the subject of unvarnished Pelagianism, saying in no uncertain terms, without any ambiguity, that there was no Fall and that there is no such thing as original sin. This man went on to attack viciously the doctrine of the substitutionary atonement of Christ, and in addition to that, to repudiate as clearly and as loudly as he could the doctrine of justification by faith alone by the imputation of the righteousness of Christ. This man's basic thesis was, we don't need the imputation of the righteousness of Christ because we have the capacity in and of ourselves to become righteous. His name: Charles Finney, "


Finney is Bill Gothard's guru.

[jimtorr]

Much has been said on this thread, and my conclusion is that of the Teacher in Ecclesiastes.

Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

[connectthedots]

A serious question. Could you please identify a few Bible verses where, when read in context, there is support for the position that God gives (apparently only some) men faith in God?

All men have faith. Living life without faith in a lot of areas would be impossible without it.

[catholic]

You sound like you need to buy a Catechism of theCatholic Church. I was an Evangelical for many years and just as you sited in your article,the concept of Origiinal Sin puts a new light on all of salvation

[catholic]

You sound like you need to buy a Catechism of theCatholic Church. I was an Evangelical for many years and just as you sited in your article,the concept of Origiinal Sin puts a new light on all of salvation