[jimtorr]

Beware! Spruill treads dangerously close to convincing people of the other "heresy" of modern Evangelical thought, Predestination.

Jesus, all the Apostles and all the Saints who wrote the scriptures agreed that the King of the Universe will not force his salvation on me.

I think Jesus and his Father give us the choice to reject his grace.

Didn't Jesus tell his followers to go throughout the world spreading the Good News, that all people might hear, and hearing, believe?

I hear nothing involuntary, there.

[jimtorr]

Ooops! It would help if I at least spelled the mans name correctly.

That's Sproul, not Spruill.

[CCWoody]

***Spruill treads dangerously close to convincing people of the other "heresy" of modern Evangelical thought, Predestination.***

Once upon a time it was atomically understood that an Evangelical was a Predestinarian. Modern day Evangelicals are "evangelical" in name only. They resemble nothing of the great men who were slaughtered by droves by the enemies of the gospel.

This article, which I have read before, treads very close to me for I languish in an Arminian/ Pelagian sea of doctrinal garbage. Most of my church goers think that being evangelical is inviting someone to church, where they can go and get saved. Or praying for someone, which is absurd since, according to them, salvation is of the man making a free will decision. It mocks the gospel and the wonderful Predestinarian descriptor of the men of God who spread the gospel called Evangelicals.

Woody.

[ksen]

Beware! Spruill treads dangerously close to convincing people of the other "heresy" of modern Evangelical thought, Predestination.

The doctrine of Predestination is peppered throughout the Bible. Here a just a few of the samples:

Exo 9:16 And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

Moses was Predestined by God to show forth God's power throughout the earth.

Jos 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.

God Predestined the kings Joshua went against for destruction.

2Ki 19:25 Hast thou not heard long ago how I have done it, and of ancient times that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste fenced cities into ruinous heaps.

The things God Predestinated were Predestinated long before they happened and God brings them to pass.

Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

It is God that chooses(Predestines) those who choose Him and God causes them to approach Him.

Ok, now what about the New Testament?

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

You notice here the Lord Jesus teaches only few are chosen, not "there are few who choose", but "there are few who are chosen."

Chosen by who? and chosen to what?

I say it is few are chosen by God to Salvation.

Ok, that's enough on that for now unless you'd like to continue. Predestination is a valid Biblical doctrine. Men can misconstrue it all they want, but it is there.

Jesus, all the Apostles and all the Saints who wrote the scriptures agreed that the King of the Universe will not force his salvation on me.

All the Calvinists here would affirm the same thing. God doesn't force anyone to do anything against their will.

I think Jesus and his Father give us the choice to reject his grace.

Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Those who reject the grace of God in Christ were never given to Christ by God the Father.

Didn't Jesus tell his followers to go throughout the world spreading the Good News, that all people might hear, and hearing, believe?

I hear nothing involuntary, there.

Neither does the Calvinist.