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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: Quick1
The day I get banned from FR for being "too conservative" is the day the revolution begins. ;)

I don't think there is any such thing as being "too conservative". There is such a thing, however, as being so politically naive that you advocate strategy or make statements that do the conservative movement harm. Some folks are conservative because it's the natural choice for intelligent folks... some seem as dumb as posts and were just fortunate enough to be born to a conservative family.

481 posted on 02/02/2004 2:31:46 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Poohbah
You da' man, Poohbah. Ping everyone so they know how great you are and how you are stomping them into oblivion. How many "atta boy's" do you need?
482 posted on 02/02/2004 2:33:21 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Tamsey
Heck, the liberals still got a lot of stuff they wanted this year. See: Expansion of the NEA.
483 posted on 02/02/2004 2:33:35 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Warren_Piece
If you want my honest opinion, I'd have to say that the republic is so completely awash in social programs, extra-constitutional federal powers, intrusive government regulation, and unrestrained growth, that it is unlikely that it can be returned to anything resembling what the founders constructed via the ballot box.

The reciever constituency outnumbers the contributor constituency, generations have been raised to suckle at the federal teet, men seek government aid to regulate their neighbors into oblivion, and so many actions are now deemed criminal as to make it impossible to act during the course of a normal day without violating the law.

Under these circumstances, I don't believe the nation would be improved (and in fact would certainly be worsened) by either a president Kerry, or a president Bush.

Would Kerry be worse than Bush?

Almost certainly so.

But that's small comfort to the emaciated and dying shell of a formerly great republic.

So why do I care?

Simply put, the ONLY hope of averting an absolute and catastrophic collapse of the republic (and all the brutality, bloodshed, and horror that goes with it) resides in the possibility of a peaceful return to a limited constitutional government via the ballotbox.

But if it does not happen soon, it will not happen at all.

And there's absolutely no way in hell, that Bush will bring it about.

None.

484 posted on 02/02/2004 2:37:50 PM PST by OWK
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To: Quick1
and be prepared for more. GWB will extend unemployment benefits within the next few weeks. Then he;ll have to toss another bone our way, so expect another recess appointment of a judge.
485 posted on 02/02/2004 2:37:58 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: tpaine
People like YOU got it stuck in the back room, because you are incapable of having a civil discussion.
486 posted on 02/02/2004 2:38:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: All
Ah, here we are again, boys and girls. Time for our semi-daily recitation of universal truth.

In a general election, extremists never get to vote FOR anyone. They never have. They never will. It's not their fault. It's not my fault. It is no one's fault. It is not a GOP conspiracy that arranged this. This is not RINOs that arranged this. This is the universe that arranged this. This, boys and girls, was arranged by the definition of the phrase "political spectrum". When you are on the margins, you are on the margins.

In the general election, extremists msut vote AGAINST someone and that someone for us is the leftmost viable candidate. That is who they must oppose. It is not about disappointment. It is not about misundertanding or misreading. It is cold, hard, unemotional calculation. They must oppose he how is most supported by pro Abortion groups. Who is most supported by pro gay marriage groups. Who is most supported by France. Who is most supported by gun control groups and the teachers' unions.

In our democracy, until there is an alternative party that holds a minimum 25% of the seats of state legislatures and Congress, The Choice Is Only Twofold.

"I support the rightmost candidate who is viable." WF Buckley.

I'll have to track down the date of that quote. I'm suspecting it is another timeless truth.
487 posted on 02/02/2004 2:38:48 PM PST by Owen
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To: Tamsey
I don't think there is any such thing as being "too conservative". There is such a thing, however, as being so politically naive that you advocate strategy or make statements that do the conservative movement harm.

Naive?

aren't you the one that's buying the whole "they have to be leftist to be conservative later" tripe?

Naive indeed.

488 posted on 02/02/2004 2:40:01 PM PST by OWK
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To: Warren_Piece
Who would you rather be sutck in Hell with? Azreal or Lucifer?

It has the same logic as your "Bush or a Democrat" question.

489 posted on 02/02/2004 2:40:27 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: nopardons
People like YOU got it stuck in the back room, because you are incapable of having a civil discussion.

Yeah... either that.. or it was put there because it said things that people needed to be "protected" from.

One or the other.

490 posted on 02/02/2004 2:41:16 PM PST by OWK
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To: Warren_Piece
I explained my positions on Bush vs. Democrats in post number 455.

With respect to foreign policy---I will not sacrifice my liberty for some supposed protection from terrorists. I'll take my chances with the terrorists. Personally my favorite activity is riding high-performance motorcycles on the street and on the racetrack, and the likelihood that I die doing that is exponentially higher than a terrorist attack. So why should I care about terrorists? I'll take my liberty, thank you. Any cursory reading of the opinions of the Founders would reveal they thought the same way (post 346). Since the majority of the Democrats disagree with the war to one extent or another, they are effectively closer to my Constitutional and isolationist opinion on the war.

Moreover, they disliked large, expensive, standing armies. They were prone to "foreign military adventures" and could possibly be used to suppress the people if and when it came time to revolt. Mark me down in agreement. Iraq was a "foreign military adventure" if I ever saw one.
491 posted on 02/02/2004 2:43:34 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: OWK
It still hasn't dawned on you yet, that it is YOU who represent the left in this discussion.

You're the one promoting a course that will put Kerry in the White House... stupid is as stupid does... and leftist is as leftist does.

492 posted on 02/02/2004 2:44:49 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Owen
In our democracy,

There is part of your problem right there. The Constitution specifically states that we are a REPUBLIC. Maybe you should read the rest of it now that you have had this small taste of what it actually does say...

493 posted on 02/02/2004 2:45:07 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: OWK
The reason threads get stuck in the back room, is because intemperate posters say the kinds of offensive things, that you posted to me. You and others did that to BURY Jim's message, because you hate what he said. It's as simple as that. LOL
494 posted on 02/02/2004 2:45:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Tamsey
Lemme gues, you are the one on the left?
495 posted on 02/02/2004 2:45:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: nopardons
You and others did that to BURY Jim's message, because you hate what he said.

Thou shalt have no other gods before Jim.

496 posted on 02/02/2004 2:46:34 PM PST by OWK
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To: Tamsey
You're the one promoting a course that will put Kerry in the White House...

Criticize Bush and the terrorists win.

Criticize Bush and the democrats win.

Criticize Bush and Kerry wins.

Yet another original and brilliant critique.

It's like a broken record.

497 posted on 02/02/2004 2:48:37 PM PST by OWK
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To: Quick1
Heck, the liberals still got a lot of stuff they wanted this year. See: Expansion of the NEA.

Ahhhh, so you named ONE that you don't like... I know that there are more you don't like. But to be at all credible, please tell me all the conservative policies and actions by Bush that you would appreciate seeing in the candidate you would enjoy voting for.

498 posted on 02/02/2004 2:49:11 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: OWK
Good points.

They never realize or think: Criticize Bush and it may lead to an awakening and a return to conservative values.

expecting too much, I guess...
499 posted on 02/02/2004 2:50:28 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: OWK
It's like a broken record.

Moronic argument that repeating something has any impact on whether it is true or relevant.

2+2=4

2+2=4

2+2=4

Prove me wrong.... how does voting third party this year keep Kerry out of office? Which President would make it easier for terrorists to harm America again, Kerry or Bush? Which are historically better at protecting America's national security, Dems or GOP?

Those answers aren't convenient for you so you prefer to ignore them completely.

500 posted on 02/02/2004 2:54:45 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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