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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: Poohbah
Had the Republican party actually still cared about the conservative vote, maybe those 4 million conservatives would have bothered to show up.
421 posted on 02/02/2004 1:48:00 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Quick1
"None of the above" is an answer. Repeating that it is not, does not make it unacceptable. Until the ballot gives me only the two choices, with a blank ballot also not an option, then "none of the above" is my answer.

This is completely ignoring the question of who you're voting for (or even if you're voting at all). And since "none of the above" is not a possible outcome, you're left with the outcome of Bush or a Democrat. Which one do would you prefer?

422 posted on 02/02/2004 1:48:08 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
"If The GOP is going to put its neck on the line for the folks who actually vote for GOP candidates--not for folks (like you) who are very long on demands and very short on votes."

If adherence to the original meaning and intent of the Constitution is now an unnaceptable demand on Republican candidates, then the Republican party can kiss my ass. Frankly it's the "moderate" milquetoast Bush-lovers that have the problem, not the principled conservatives among us. For those with actual principles, a vote for Bush is no better than any of the Democrats. Bush has shown his hand and the effective result is no different.

It is you people that are in the difficult position. You actually see some kind of difference between Bush and the Democrats. Evidently that difference has nothing to do with Constitutional rights or retraints on federal power, but no matter. It's just better, in your mind, to have a tyrant with an (R) next to his name. So, in your "moderation", you are allowing us principled conservatives to hold your party hostage and force a loss. Well too bad, so sad. The RNC appears to finally have drifted so far left that it is no longer a viable choice to those with principles. True conservatives have little, if anything, to lose from a Democrat win. If the moderates want to stay on the winning side, then they'll have to follow those that are willing to take their principles and walk when it's neccessary.
423 posted on 02/02/2004 1:48:26 PM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Poohbah
"The GOP is going to put its neck on the line for the folks who actually vote for GOP candidates--not for folks (like you) who are very long on demands and very short on votes."

SO, as long as you stay on the reservation, play the game the way the powers that be demand, don't question authority and by all means, don't demand people to be held to a higher standard, then the GOP is for you? You, sir, are part of the problem.

"For what it's worth, I have a six-year-old daughter who's much more mature than you are. She understands that "holding her breath until she turns blue" is not a recipe for getting her way."

As to your daughter, do you ever discipline her? Does she ever disappoint you> When she disobeys or disappoints, do you look the other way because she does other good things, or do you get her back focused on being the person you want her to be?. Unconditional love does not work in politics...tough love is needed.

424 posted on 02/02/2004 1:48:34 PM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: OWK
Overview of the President's 2005 Budget

Table of Contents of 2005 Budget

425 posted on 02/02/2004 1:49:56 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Poohbah
We will not get out of it overnight.

Self serving Bravo Sierra. Would could get out of it if the Republicans had the cojones to do what is RIGHT by their oath of office and the Constitution. Mature adults wouldn't have to sit there and make excuses for lame ass candidates.

49% of the voting age, and voting elligible, population STAYED HOME last election. Only slightly less than half of that elected Bush through the brilliance of the electoral college. Keep crowing about having only 25% of the population backing you.

And you wonder why the poll numbers look horrible? Don't keep making the mistake of thinking the rest of us are as dumb as you are.

426 posted on 02/02/2004 1:50:42 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: OWK
You didn't ask me who WOULD win.

True.

You asked who I WANTED to win.

False. I asked which one of the two you would prefer, without respect to your vote.

And "none of the above" is certainly a more than reasonable answer to that question.

It is acceptable only if you're a moral coward.

I want neither of them to win.

The Universe doesn't give a hoot what you want.

427 posted on 02/02/2004 1:51:03 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Sabertooth
I tried having an account over there. I got banned in about my first three postings. They called me a "conservative a$$wad".

Kinda sucks that I've been getting more of the same over here...

428 posted on 02/02/2004 1:52:42 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Poohbah
Why do you so badly need an answer to your question?
429 posted on 02/02/2004 1:52:55 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Poohbah
Me: You asked who I WANTED to win.

You: False. I asked which one of the two you would prefer, without respect to your vote.


430 posted on 02/02/2004 1:53:43 PM PST by OWK
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To: Dead Corpse; hchutch; Cultural Jihad; Tamsey
49% of the voting age, and voting elligible, population STAYED HOME last election.

Which indicates that they're content, overall, with the direction the country's going. Notice that they sure as hell didn't vote for your candidate.

Only slightly less than half of that elected Bush through the brilliance of the electoral college. Keep crowing about having only 25% of the population backing you.

And you wonder why the poll numbers look horrible? Don't keep making the mistake of thinking the rest of us are as dumb as you are.

I don't think you're as dumb as I am. I think you're expontentially dumber than I am, and far dumber as you are right now than I would be if I were to suddenly get Alzheimer's or dementia.

431 posted on 02/02/2004 1:54:00 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Dead Corpse
The day I get banned from FR for being "too conservative" is the day the revolution begins. ;)
432 posted on 02/02/2004 1:54:08 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Quick1
I don't NEED an answer.

But the gyrations y'all go through to evade giving a straight answer say a great deal about you.
433 posted on 02/02/2004 1:54:57 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: OWK
"Actually, they've been pandering to leftists for a little while longer than that. "

Bush has been going downhill slowly since the neo-con takeover of his administration. He needs to lop off the heads of those who bamboozled him on Iraq and that dividend tax cuts would produce jobs.

434 posted on 02/02/2004 1:55:20 PM PST by ex-snook (Be Patriotic - STOP outsourcing American jobs.)
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To: Poohbah
Why do you guys always feel the need to ping your buddies?

One on one conversation too much for you?

435 posted on 02/02/2004 1:55:31 PM PST by OWK
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To: Poohbah
We've tried giving you answers. You don't want to accept them. There ain't a nickel's worth of difference between the two choices, so I choose "None of the above". Period.
436 posted on 02/02/2004 1:56:05 PM PST by Quick1
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To: Poohbah



Mature adults understand this. When you become one, let us all know.

Are mature adults prone to posting or suggesting vulgarities?

Do they thump their cyberchests and post like Inquisitorial thugs?

Are you under the impression that such conduct seizes the high ground of maturity?


437 posted on 02/02/2004 1:57:04 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Would could get out of it if the Republicans had the cojones to do what is RIGHT by their oath of office and the Constitution.

Unfortunately, the first thing the Republicans would have to do to make your proposed effort stick would be to suspend the Constitutionally-required elections--or figure out a way to revoke the franchise to all but their loyal supporters, of equally dubious Constitutionality.

438 posted on 02/02/2004 1:57:11 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Quick1
We've tried giving you answers. You don't want to accept them. There ain't a nickel's worth of difference between the two choices, so I choose "None of the above". Period.

Another coward heard from.

439 posted on 02/02/2004 1:57:51 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Protagoras
No matter how often it is repeated it will still be incorrect.

For those of us living in the real world, yes it is... Vote for the Oompa-Loompas if you wish, our next President will come from either the GOP or DemocRATS. If you vote for the Oompa-Loompa, that is one less vote the Rats need to take the White House. I hope you don't live in Florida.

440 posted on 02/02/2004 1:58:05 PM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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