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I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

I’m Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives

Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service. Bush has proven that he is a liberal with a thin veneer of faux conservatism covering the big-government, big-spending core of his true self. So what? As ‘good conservatives’ we should ‘remain focused’ and pull that Republican lever in the voting booth no matter what our lying eyes tell us? That is what establishment Republicans want their conservative base to do: “Sit down, shut up, and vote as we, the enlightened, anointed insiders tell you to.” Mind you, they don’t want you, the conservatives, the citizens that have remained true to the American Ideals of the founders, to think about how they are using you and are selling you down the river to special interest groups. The neo-cons that control the Republican Party today are hoping that rank and file conservatives will mindlessly vote for Bush, keeping their heads in the sand, until it’s too late and they’ve developed a new constituency to keep them in power. That new constituency will consist of newly married Log Cabin Republicans (gays), welfare dependents sucking up to the new government tit on the right, and amnestied illegals now eligible to vote (as well as more readily able to take your job because they’ll work for less, especially since you’re being taxed to pay their government supplementals that maintain their standard of living).

Establishment Republicans are coming out and trying to silence the uproar over Bush’s amnesty plan for illegals. The establishment types (neo-cons) are telling conservatives to keep it down and ‘look at the long view, the big picture.’ What crap! How many times do conservatives have to compromise their values, their beliefs, their standards? Why do we always have to give in but we don’t see anyone else giving in?

The latest in the string of ‘keep your mouths shut’ articles I’ve seen was on GOPUSA, by the president and CEO of that organization, Bobby Eberle. The title of his article was ‘Bush-Bashing Conservatives Should Focus on the Big Picture.’ I wrote Mr. Eberle to inform him that conservatives were keeping the big picture, that it was Bush who wasn’t. To me, Eberle’s article, along with all the other ‘hey conservatives, keep quiet about how Bush isn’t conservative’ articles are proof that conservatives and traditionalists are the embarrassing, if needed, stepchildren of the Republican Party. That in itself tells you the Republican Party is not conservative any more.

Given a laundry list of items, would any principled conservative vote for someone who: Continuously increases government spending, driving us deeper into debt; expands central government power over the states; undermines the Bill of Rights with bills such as the USA Patriot Act; cuts deals with other countries that undermine our economy via so-called free trade deals that only go one way (only out with our jobs and only in with products); wants to give millions of criminals (illegal aliens) a pass, thus not only blurring our boarder, but driving wages down and encouraging even more illegals to flood our markets in hopes of yet another amnesty a few years down the road? This is George Bush. He is no conservative. Why vote for a liberal in Republican clothing?

There was a political shift over the last twenty years in the South, as Southerners woke up to the fact that the Democratic Party had been taken over by socialists and no longer represented their interests, thus causing the huge migration to the ‘Party of Reagan.’ Southerners, and other conservatives and traditionalists, need to wake up to the fact that the Republican Party is morphing into merely an evil twin of the Democratic Party, and they need to migrate to another political entity. It could even happen this election year. The key is not which party conservatives and traditionalists are with, but that they stand by their ideals, stand on principle. The neo-cons have already shown that conservatives don’t have a seat at the table in the Republican Party, so why cast our lot with them?

Here’s something else to consider: Even if the House of Representatives kill this amnesty plan of Bush’s, and the establishment Republicans wink at conservatives and traditionalists saying, “Hey, we knew it wouldn’t pass, we just wanted to influence Hispanic votes by acting like we care,” don’t buy it. If the plan goes down to defeat this summer, once Bush gets re-elected in November you can bet it will be back with a vengeance, and the House and Senate will pass the amnesty plan. Nothing in the past 10 years, since the ‘Republican Revolution,’ shows me that the Republicans are conservative or mean anything they say concerning supporting conservative positions. No, there won’t be a socialist getting my vote this year, be he Democrat or be he Republican. As for me, I’ll be voting conservative, which means most likely the Constitution Party. I’m not throwing my vote away; Bush threw it away with everything he and the neo-cons have done for the last four years.

29 January 2004

Jeff Adams


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To: Sockdologer
"Well, yeah. But we didn't get rid of King George and put Robespierre in his place."

But it would get us to the inevitable sooner, where right minded Americans can deal with it in the proper manner to secure the desired outcome.

261 posted on 02/02/2004 11:12:58 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: OWK
I waited for decades for the GOP to make good on it's rhetoric.

Oh dear.... that's because your job wasn't to wait for others to move the country or parties to the right. It was YOUR job and you failed while you sat back on your butt "for decades" and the GOP didn't move quickly enough for you. If the GOP hasn't moved as far as we want it is OUR FAULT for not educating the American public.

Instead of writing posts whining about how Bush isn't listening to the pure conservatives in the GOP coalition, write letters to the editors reaming out Americans who demand a prescription program. Go to a local PTA meeting to speak as a citizen and show your community members that public education is not provided for in the Constitution. That's just for starters but perhaps your bright enough to take it from there. Why don't you start the ball rolling ahead of time for the conservative side and begin educating folks around your community why privitizing Social Security is the best route for America.

THAT is how our Founders intended us to make political change and choices in our country.

262 posted on 02/02/2004 11:13:47 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: MJY1288
That's where they came from

So you're saying that people who are MORE conservative than George Bush and want to:

Restore the Constitution as the law of the land

Defend the borders

Reduce government spending to what is limited to the federal government by the US Constitution

etc

are all from DU? Interesting take on it. So I guess you're saying now that DU is more conservative than the Republicans?

263 posted on 02/02/2004 11:14:45 AM PST by xrp (VOTE REPUBLICANS FOR MORE SOCIALISM in the USA, Eugene V Debs-R (USA))
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To: Tamsey
I explained the safeguard, it is the Constitution. It only worked in the election to make sure that the candidate that deserved to win by the rules was in fact elected. That candidate then proceeded to igore the rest of the Constitution as most presidents have for the last 80 years.

Yes, we DO have to deal with the system we now have---which is the never-intended popular democracy we have been left with as a result of the shredding of the Constitution. As long as we can't count on representatives to respect the Constutition with our money, our laws, and our rights, we need to use popular democratic means to get them back, which sometimes entails sacrifice for the long-term picture.
264 posted on 02/02/2004 11:15:03 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: cinFLA
You are not throwing your vote away; you are throwing your support to Kerry, Kennedy, Soros ...

Some of us feel that there is really little difference.

265 posted on 02/02/2004 11:17:53 AM PST by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: meadsjn
Many of the Gen X/Gen Y I associate with are increasingly considering themselves libertarian.
266 posted on 02/02/2004 11:18:36 AM PST by xrp (VOTE REPUBLICANS FOR MORE SOCIALISM in the USA, Eugene V Debs-R (USA))
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To: Abe Froman
"we need to use popular democratic means to get them back, which sometimes entails sacrifice for the long-term picture."

Good point, Abe.

That in itself may answer many things. Most people are afraid to sacrafice and face a legitimate cause or challenge. It is easier for most to let the status quo play things out and hope that the future is good to them, rather than trying to change the future for the good.

267 posted on 02/02/2004 11:19:02 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Tamsey
It was YOUR job and you failed while you sat back on your butt "for decades" and the GOP didn't move quickly enough for you.

Sorry... but I did anything BUT sit on my butt.

I worked, I campaigned, I supported candidates I thought had a real and honest belief in the Constitution. I protested, I spoke at public rallies, I petitioned my state house, and the federal government.

In short, I did more (and do more today) than your lazy condecending arse could ever dream of.

Save your preaching for the other leftists of your kind.

I'm not buying it.

268 posted on 02/02/2004 11:19:40 AM PST by OWK
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To: dmzTahoe
"You may fear a Dem or another other than Bush, but a Dem would take us to a quick death, where we can then unite and deal with it and correct it. Would you rather the inevitable be put off only to be dealt with by your children? I'd rather we start on the road to taking back our country in my generation."

How would we deal with it and correct it? It is a hell of a lot more work to undo the effects of chaos and destruction than to prevent them in the first place.

To overcome the devil is one thing. To invite him to "come get some" in order to overcome him is another thing entirely.

D@##17, we haven't lost our country yet! It is within our power to fix things as they are if only we will try, there is no need for some sort of cockamamie "Ominous Big Changes" to take place.

You are here, so it is likely that you are good people. You have seen the kind of horror that these people can inflict. Would you want even the smallest fraction of what has befallen North Korea or China to come here?

That is what we are inviting. A Democrat victory will meen the drawing down of our defenses. We will get hurt, and hurt bad. Then who knows what will happen. Unlike goofy commentators, most of us here know that if we take a few hundered thousand casualties, America will cry for blood. It will get ugly. And once that fire is lit, who knows what will happen.

There is nothing that can justify that future if it can be avoided.

269 posted on 02/02/2004 11:20:25 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Columbine
Take a good look at the front page of this website.

You know, I did just that.  I even ran a search on it.
"Conservative" comes up a few times, but
"Republican" is completely absent from the front page.

I'll just stick with the president

Okay. But don't criticize those who disagree on conservative principles.
270 posted on 02/02/2004 11:20:27 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Protagoras
"LOL,,anyone can misspell a word, or make a typo, but there is a difference.

The E isn't near the I. Use the spell checker, it's free."

How close is the letter "A" to the letter "N" in the word "Anal" ?

271 posted on 02/02/2004 11:21:20 AM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: Columbine
Again, the worst choice might be the guy currently in office. Bush's spending and disregard for the Constution has been so far unprecedented by nearly all in the last century save for FDR. Tolerating a Democrat for 4 years in order to determine the course we must take is an easy choice for me. When I find myself agreeing with Democrat candidates more than the current Republican president it is time for radical steps to be taken. Bush has taken us so far down the road of big government, imperialism, and Constitutional irrelevance that it is hard to believe a Democrat could be any worse. Therefore it is no problem to use this vote to send the RNC a message.
272 posted on 02/02/2004 11:21:23 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: dmzTahoe
*shakes her head* I almost wish I could agree. But the French never really did get better. You're taking a gamble that I don't think you stand a chance of winning. Last time
we tried it, we had only eight years of Clinton. There's no guarantee that if we leave our candidate again, it won't be sixteen, twenty, twenty-four or even more. The rest of the western world is headed in that direction. We're still
one of the strongest conservative nations there is. I'm not willing to give that up.

You've got a great spirit, and I must admit, I'm convinced
you want what's best for this nation, but I think you're headed in the wrong direction.
273 posted on 02/02/2004 11:23:33 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Abe Froman
Those that blindly cheerlead for Bush can do so all they want but you're not going to sway us. Bush is every bit as distasteful as Clinton or any one of the current Democratic candidates and perhaps even worse in his no-limit power grabbing and spending habits.

Nope... the most distasteful thing on the right is the arrogance of some who assuming anyone trying to make sure Bush stays in the White House is blindly cheerleading for him. It's that same arrogance that makes folks like you so ridiculously blind about how destructive your strategy is to the right.... but that arrogance has got your head so far up your butt that you've convinced yourself it's other fella who is wrong who has his head OUT and surrounded by fresh air.

I haven't met up with a single Freeper that agrees with every single decision Bush has made... some folks here don't seem to have enough brain cells to realize that you can support a candidate even if they don't meet your preferences 100%.

274 posted on 02/02/2004 11:23:45 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: xrp
Yawn
275 posted on 02/02/2004 11:24:08 AM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: Constantine XIII
Good points, but let me ask you this hypothetical question:

If you had persistent pain in your body and live it with for years, and it gets worse, do you stay away from going to a doctor because you fear it is cancer and life threatening and you fear dealing with it?

Or, as soon as it gets to a certain point, do you go to a doctor because you want to know for certain what it is and then deal with it head on?

I'd prefer the latter, so bring it on now, rather than later.
276 posted on 02/02/2004 11:25:32 AM PST by dmzTahoe (1.)
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To: Tamsey
JimRob put it so well last night. It's a shame that thread ended up in the SBR.

"Any person claiming to be conservative who is not motivated to keep the Democrats out of power after knowing EXACTLY what they will do with it if given the opportunity, has a real problem with reality. They're either political martyrs, have not been paying attention to what the Democrat candidates have been promising they will do if elected, or are ignoring (or are totally or willfully ignorant of) the history of the last seventy years, or are incredibly dense or insane, or have a morbid desire to toil their lives away in the misery of a Liberal Hell! Any person who would support a third party candidate who has absolutely zero chance of winning even one state or even a single electoral vote is so politically naive and devoid of the brainpower that The Creator so graciously endowed upon them, that it's not even worth wasting pixels on."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1069214/posts?page=712#712
277 posted on 02/02/2004 11:25:46 AM PST by EllaMinnow (If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
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To: robowombat
Constitution Party for me.

The Republican party has left for the left.
278 posted on 02/02/2004 11:26:13 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: MJY1288

279 posted on 02/02/2004 11:27:06 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
*shudder* I read that as "Communist party." Made me jump out of my chair :p
280 posted on 02/02/2004 11:28:13 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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