Now this would make a good presidential candidate....

editorial | 1.24.04 | ashrak

[ashrak]

Hi folks. I am new here and would like to take this post to explain what I think would make a real down to earth presidential candidate that would truly be fair and representative of all americans. Indeed, one that would take this country forward to eventual peace ,prosperity and harmony with the rest of this planet.

The USA is the leader among leaders on this world and thus we must act like it. To many this will be seen as a negative thing, but alas this is just part of the job description. Don rumsfeld said it best..."no matter what a person does or does not do, someone will always be unhappy with that action". He is exactly right and this fact must be accepted as the truth that it is.

There are hundreds of issues that devide us on this quest of perfect leadership and I will attempt to lay out what I feel are a set of compromises that will aid this country in the move forward over the coming decades. Some will agree and some will not....let us explore thru debate what I have right and what I have wrong and why.

[ashrak]

Who said it was science class?
Roll you reyes all you want.
Maybe people say photo shop cuz thats wht it looks like eh?
Whats your solution?
I love posts that just try to slam with ZERO capability to understand the concept of comprimise.

[ashrak]

Hey Jo Jo since when are you the teacher grading papers???

When did you become judge jury and executioner?
Your glass house just shattered my man.

What you claim as antagonizing is me being flabergasted at the idiocy of your attempt to blast me. You can not blast my post directly so you go to "the way I write"..how about testing the content?

I think you misunderstand...i IN NO WAY support abortion on demand. I in no way support Absolutely no abortions.

The comprimise is this man....no late term abortions..the decision must be made long before that...as I feel there is plenty of time before the final trimester and that is when they approach living ability on their own......on the other side.....for the other side to expect NO ABORTIONS period...well that is just as foolish as abortion on demand...comprimise means both sides get a little and both sides give a little....

NOW YOU tell me where this is not a comprimise.

JO JO if you have the power to "let me post" or "NOT to let me post then EXCERCISE it and BAN me. I have done no attacking that was not self defense..can you say the same after this post? You try to intimidate.....you try that is.

DUer means nothing to me soo.....

What is your idea for comprimise?


Sir I have done nothing but post my feelings and what I feel may be good comprimises where both sides get SOMETHING....you wanna ban me for that, make accusations,intimidate,and anyway otherwise try to stifle my posts....well then buddy you show your true colors...colors of people like the taliban and sadam hussein......think about it bro...and reconsider your direction and what you try to claim is "right".

[ashrak]

Jo JO you dont even know me....i have what 10 posts?
And youthink you can make a decision like vote?
You are truly far more a fool than i thought.
Give it up bro....your flame is weak.
Try an alternative solution to an ongoing problem.
One where both sides benefit in that solution more than either does today.

Maybe it is reality that your vote doesn't matter...as it seems you are on the far right fringe.

Now you tell me where is the comprimise?
You would rather shut me up kick me out than discuss solutions...imagine that.

[JoJo Gunn]

"I think you misunderstand...i IN NO WAY support abortion on demand. I in no way support Absolutely no abortions."

Then what are you bitching about?

[ashrak]

dude I am not bitchin...umm that'd be you punk. I put forth a possible solution to the neverending battle about abortion. One that could put the issue to bed for a good long while,,,both sides understanding that neither will ever have EXACTLY what they want.

Dude try reading before you post...you might not look so foolish.

[JoJo Gunn]

How old are you, dude?

[hellinahandcart]

as it seems you are on the far right fringe.

Oh no, the horror!

Bwaaahahaaaa...

[ashrak]

"snub"

[JoJo Gunn]

Damn. You snubbed me. But, before I slit my wrists in earth shattering woe, will you tell us how old you are, cuz I have to know, dude.

[KangarooJacqui]

I didn't think conservatives believed in abortion?

I do, in strictly limited cases, and shall be voting Conservative today in my State Elections (I currently live in Australia, although it was my American husband who introduced me to FR).

Many people might call me (and my late husband) libertarians. But if we believe in the lesser of 2 evils, and would not vote Democrat (or in my own country's case, Labor) with a gun to our heads... are we not welcome here?

[trussell]

You support abortion in the case of a child not being able to live outside of the mother. This Child is only 27(?) weeks, and weighed less than a pound. When exactly do you propose we cut off the right to abort?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072321/posts

[trussell]

Exactly what limits do you propose be placed on those who want to abort a baby? In the case of rape? Incest? Life threatening problems for the mother?

The person who posted this thread is not suggesting those type of limits on the right to abort. He/She says that a woman should be able to choose abortion if she does the deed while the child/baby is incapable of living without the live giving support of the mothers body.

If a woman does not want a child then she needs to take measures to avoid being impregnated. Abstinence is the most effective form of birth control, I would suggest those who would murder their own child practice this method instead!!

[Hillarys nightmare]

I had a previous reply that I had very carefully and thoughtfully written, and because My computer locked while finishing it, it is no more. I don't feel like rewriting it, so I'll just say that you really need to do a little home work on the "Abortion" issue.

Might I suggest that you research both sides of the issues, and find out all you can about what really motivates them to take the position they have. Look into their respective history's and see if there is any underlying, or unstated reasons for their current positions.

This will take you allot of time, but if you rally want to get to the heart of the matter and find a real solution to this problem, then you will gladly do it.

I believe that once you have done the necessary home work, you will discover that there is no compromise in the matter, and that fence sitting only displays a lack of core beliefs in the matter.

[KangarooJacqui]

Exactly what limits do you propose be placed on those who want to abort a baby? In the case of rape? Incest? Life threatening problems for the mother? The person who posted this thread is not suggesting those type of limits on the right to abort.

Well, I am. And I've proudly been practising (actually perfecting, I'd say, given my 0000 strike rate) birth control for almost half a lifetime.

I'm all for abortion as birth control in _very_ limited circumstances. However, given the birth control available in the western world, I've never had to resort to it, and Gold help me, I never will. So that's where I differ with the writer of this article... and with you, sir or madam...

[trussell]

I'm all for abortion as birth control in _very_ limited circumstances.

What circumstances are you willing to allow to justify the murder of a baby?

So that's where I differ with the writer of this article... and with you, sir or madam...

You have not shown that you differ from the writer of this article, and I am still not sure of how you differ from me (BTW, I am a ma'am).

The three above reasons-rape, incest, and life threatening complications for the mother- are the only reasons I would find worthy enough to justify aborting a baby.

[trussell]

I would still mourn the death of the baby that is aborted for any reason, as it is a baby, not a blob a tissue!

[ashrak]

The fact that you say "there is no comprimise" shows that you indeed need to do some homework. I need not do your homework to see that the hard left and the hard right will never agree. You see my friend that is my point. That is why a comprimise is needed...spelled out by those of us in the middle that see the reality....that there are times when it is proper and times when it is not....as neither side will agree to that statement. A neverending argument is productive for no one. The comprimise I speak of is not to satisfy either side..it is indeed just to state the medium ground and basically tell both sides to shut the hell up about it and move on...cuz this is how it is gonna be.

You call me a fence sitter,,sorry man I am a realist...
it is real that neither side will ever see things the same way....that needs not happen in order for a comprimise to be reached. Big differance. The underlying reasons for each sides positions really are not even an issue...looking back like that will only make a person run into a tree...one must look forward in order to avoid hitting that tree and coming to a full stop.. Do you understand what I mean there? Again the reasons for each sides position really dont matter....as both have their past...their reasons....their position formed by whatever.......it does not change the fact that they will never look at it the same way.

Seems your more interested in one side being right and one side being wrong...when in my honest oppinion they are both right and wrong depending on the situation. A blanket yes or no will never solve this problem and if you do some research you will agree......or you will disagree with no alternative.

You claim I have no core beliefs...you are wrong entirely.
My core belief is that there is a proper time for abortion and there are times when it is not proper...even malicious.


Neither is appropriate for ALL situations. That is why a blanket policy of yes or no will never work..will never be a solution. You must agree, as this is absolutely true.

Just because I have a differant idea about a solution does not make me a fence sitter...your accusation shows that you are narrow minded and possibly even intimidated by my offering of a solution. As I see you offer none..just direction for me to do something. If you have done this research as you claim I need to do...what did you come up with? JUST that no comprimise can ever be reached?????
That, my friend , is a true fence sitters cop out.

[ashrak]

I would say that I am not qualified to give an exact day. I would leave that to the medical community to show when a baby can survive. To avoid the nonstop bickering of maybe this maybe then...I would say that they must show the earliest a baby HAS survived and make that the cut off. If a baby is shown to survive earlier than the law states then it could easily be changed to reflect that.

An exception is always present to this time. Mothers health know no timeline and must come first. Deformity must also play a part in this exception.

As far as 27 weeks 28 weeks 25 weeks....this is waaaaay more than enough time to have made the decision already if the abortion is simply to terminate the pregnancy. IMHO most of them should take place by about ten to twelve weeks when in this context.

I concede that stating the cut off day or week is a difficult thing to do. That is why I state the example I do. I feel the medical community could very well state the facts and draw the line with those facts. As those facts change due to better medical science and success so could the time limit.

[ashrak]

trussel i agree that people should take steps to avoid pregnancy. But that is not an option and is not an issue once a female IS pregnant and your point become moot at that point. As for you rmurder position...Must not one be alive to be murdered? I offer that one is not alive when depedant upon another's life to survive. The day that time passes and that being can survive without that dependancy upon the mother, and medical issues do not apply, I will agree that at that point it is murder. Hence my oposition to late term abortion for the purpose of simply terminating it.

[ashrak]

trussel i agree that people should take steps to avoid pregnancy. But that is not an option and is not an issue once a female IS pregnant and your point become moot at that point. As for you rmurder position...Must not one be alive to be murdered? I offer that one is not alive when depedant upon another's life to survive. The day that time passes and that being can survive without that dependancy upon the mother, and medical issues do not apply, I will agree that at that point it is murder. Hence my oposition to late term abortion for the purpose of simply terminating it.