[ashrak]

trussel i agree that people should take steps to avoid pregnancy. But that is not an option and is not an issue once a female IS pregnant and your point become moot at that point. As for you rmurder position...Must not one be alive to be murdered? I offer that one is not alive when depedant upon another's life to survive. The day that time passes and that being can survive without that dependancy upon the mother, and medical issues do not apply, I will agree that at that point it is murder. Hence my oposition to late term abortion for the purpose of simply terminating it.

[trussell]

What do you call "having a heartbeat" is that not a sign of being alive? A baby's heart begins to beat at 25 days gestation. Most women are not even aware they are pregnant by this time.