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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: The_Eaglet
With a capital "W"
741 posted on 01/13/2004 3:11:08 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Poohbah
Whatever...it's law nonethelss isn't it? You can't deny it based on the court cases. And you can't deny that the founders believed in the unchanging principles therein stated.

How many quotes from the founding fathers (supporting the principles in the Declaration) do you need to convince you? I suspect none would - you are a polemic.

742 posted on 01/13/2004 3:11:20 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
I Found 1.2 million matches to my search, but the first one suffices....

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html
743 posted on 01/13/2004 3:11:23 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: billbears; Zipporah; GunnyB; JustPiper
Thank you for caring and opening your eyes wide enough to see how simple and easy on Americans my plan would be.

"Bump! Ranch why are there over 500 posts just since 8AM? Scared to read the responses ;)"

We're up to 735 responses so far!

744 posted on 01/13/2004 3:13:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Zipporah
I have watched this thread with interest. Its obvious where everyone stands. Now the question is; do you sit out the vote to send Bush a message guaranteeing a nut like Clark, a loon like Dean, or a criminal like Hillary gets the White House in 2004? Im just asking. Please no flames. It just seems to me that that nothing could be worse for America than the abovementioned scenario. Illegals are already here. Is making them legal really worth a Hillary Presidency? A Clark Presidency?
745 posted on 01/13/2004 3:18:57 PM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: e_engineer
soitenly
746 posted on 01/13/2004 3:19:08 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Zipporah
W stands for William, right? < /rove >
747 posted on 01/13/2004 3:22:21 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Mike Peroutka for President)
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To: exmarine; m1-lightning; Modernman
Whatever...it's law nonethelss isn't it?

Sorry, you said that it was incorporated into the United States Code as "organic law."

You still have yet to provide the Title and Section.

You can't deny it based on the court cases.

Only if you believe that judges are permitted to write legislation from the bench. News flash: under our system of government, they're not supposed to do that.

And you can't deny that the founders believed in the unchanging principles therein stated.

Didn't deny it for a second.

How many quotes from the founding fathers (supporting the principles in the Declaration) do you need to convince you? I suspect none would - you are a polemic.

None would convince me--because the issue here is not a quotation, or many of them, from the Founding Fathers--the issue here is a United States Code citation that supports your claim.

748 posted on 01/13/2004 3:23:11 PM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: Dane
Riri said earlier in this thread he's leaving the country

Yep, I did say that. And I will if the right opportunity presents itself.

But, after some reflection today, I came to the realization that despite it all there is one silver lining.

I will have the smug satisfaction of knowing that you and other's like you are crying in your kool aid when all this comes to a head.

When the freedom fighters are burning down cities and when Spanish in the numero uno language. When you are paying reparations to Hispanics because they were forced to work bad jobs in bad conditions. When you hae bars on your windows and your neighbor is car jacked at the intersection by El Salvadoran gang memebers.

You'll be crying in your kool-aid..."I never thought it would come to this" "Where's the tolerance--where's the compassion"

And your Mencha co-citizens are going to tell you to shove your compassion and your tolerance up your a$$. Because they won't have same guilt ridden, suicide complex.

749 posted on 01/13/2004 3:25:20 PM PST by riri
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To: exmarine
Doesn't matter...

The fact that you stated the Declaration of Independence was incorporated into the US code, and the fact that it's not true doesn't matter...

If being a liar doesn't matter, I guess we have nothing else to discus.

750 posted on 01/13/2004 3:27:11 PM PST by Marine Inspector (TANCREDO 2004)
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To: Poohbah; exmarine; Modernman; m1-lightning; Marine Inspector
organic law
: the body of laws (as in a constitution or charter) that form the original foundation of a government

declaration
a: a statement proclaiming the principles, aims, or policies of a group or government

On July 4, 1776, the Second Continental Congress, meeting in Philadelphia in the Pennsylvania State House (now Independence Hall), approved the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration sets forth the principles upon which our government was established. It does not have to be in the federal code, in order to be considered a founding document. It does document the principles upon which the government was founded, by approval of the Continental Congress of 1776. It also has been used to formulate laws with respect to the abolitiion of slavery, and in many US Supreme court decisions.
751 posted on 01/13/2004 3:31:33 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Poohbah
"Kindly show Title and Section."

Just my two cents for what it's worth. Went to the site concerned and from what I could gather, the DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE does not have a "title" and "section", per se. But the document is important enough, unarguably, that it is not required. To say that it is not a part of the USC, would be to relegate it to irrelevance.
752 posted on 01/13/2004 3:34:57 PM PST by jaugust ("The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising after you fall". Vince Lombardi)
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To: putupon
Drilling in ANWR would work as well with Mexico as it would w/ the Middle Eastern oil suppliers as far as holding prices down.

Bush tried. But it was defeated in Congress.

753 posted on 01/13/2004 3:34:58 PM PST by MattAMiller
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To: Marine Inspector
If being a liar doesn't matter, I guess we have nothing else to discus.

Travis Bickel Bump, hypocrite.

754 posted on 01/13/2004 3:35:22 PM PST by PRND21
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To: riri
When the freedom fighters are burning down cities and when Spanish in the numero uno language. When you are paying reparations to Hispanics because they were forced to work bad jobs in bad conditions. When you hae bars on your windows and your neighbor is car jacked at the intersection by El Salvadoran gang memebers.

You'll be crying in your kool-aid..."I never thought it would come to this" "Where's the tolerance--where's the compassion"

Wow I didn't know you were Ms. Cleo? Is this a "freebie" to entice people to call your 1-900 number?

755 posted on 01/13/2004 3:36:17 PM PST by Dane
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To: JustPiper
"This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

The bottom line truth.
756 posted on 01/13/2004 3:36:53 PM PST by Beck_isright (After 8 years of Caligula, now we get Nero.)
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To: Poohbah
You want victory on your little quibble, okay. Feel better now? Doesn't change the fact it's law. Okay, I can't cite a title and code at this moment, but I still believe it is organic law, and obviously, so does the court. Organic as opposed to positive law. And the text of it is in the U.S. code document - I read it there through my search, but it did not have a code or section number. The 4457 hits were actually for any occurrence of the words "declaration" or "independence". Nevertheless, the text of the declaration is there. I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. So, just to get you off my back, I'll say that I can't cite the actual code right now. What now? A pox upon me maybe? You Want my firstborn? Maybe you have a position on the topic of this thread? If you have a position on this topic or some other concrete issue, state it. Otherwise, I am fresh out of time for you.
757 posted on 01/13/2004 3:40:54 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: riri
Time will tell, my friend, time will tell.

Until then you just stay on your guilt induced suicide path. At least you feel all warm and fuzzy.

And after all, isn't that all that matters?

758 posted on 01/13/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by riri
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To: Marine Inspector
Organic law is not the same as positive law. I don't care what you think. I read it on-line in the US code from a boolean search (1 hit not 4457). The important issue is that it has been shown on this thread that the Declaration is law. So, what's your beef? If your purpose is harrasmsment, get lost.
759 posted on 01/13/2004 3:43:38 PM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: riri
Do what you have to do, but I seriously doubt you'll leave the country. Alec Baldwin promised all of us in 2000 he would leave, but he's still living in California.
760 posted on 01/13/2004 3:45:14 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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