Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

[onyx]

Don't flatter yourself. I haven't bothered to read your numerous rants. What is to refute? That you do not like Bush's proposal? Neither do I, but unlike you, I am a grown-up. I realize we have a two party system. Guess what? The Republican party is my home.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The only facts known is the pent up emotion you seem willing to lash out at anyone who disagrees with you. Personally, I couldn't care less to get involved with emotionally unstable individuals in civil debates.

[exmarine]

I might add that women were counted for purposes of representation even though they could not vote (slaves were not until after the civil war) - but that was an injustice recognized and deferred by the founders.

The Roman Republic. They had separate judicial, legislative and executive branches.

The roman republic did not resemble our republic. First, it treated women like dirt (every man had a mistress for pleasure - a wife was used only for procreation to give the man an heir). The senate was all patricians. They did not have full representation, and these patricians were not elected -they inherited their positions or were appointed. In addition, they had no constitution, and did not hold to principles of basic rights for all men (life, liberty, property). In addition, there were no checks and balances and the republic deteriorated into dictatorship in 44 BC. Then, Caesar became arbitary ruler over everybody and everything and no one had any rights that Caeser did not give them. There are other differences, but our founders studied Rome very carefully and did not want to make the same mistakes as Rome did (or Greece).

I might add that, ironically, homosexual marriage was not allowed even in depraved rome. Modern France, Netherlands and the State of Massachusetts should be proud - they are plunged to moral depths not before realized in recorded history!

[exmarine]

Neither do I, but unlike you, I am a grown-up. I realize we have a two party system. Guess what? The Republican party is my home.

You aren't able to refute them so they stand. Just because I oppose Bush - that means I am not a grown up? hahaha. Let your headstone read: Loyalty to Party over moral principle.

[m1-lightning]

Many days, the anti-Bush rhetoric posted here, is almost a word for word match with the DNC talking points. Amazing.

I'm quite suprized this hasn't made the smokey backroom with all of the personal attacks, let alone the anti-Bush liberal rhetoric flying around.

[AbsoluteJustice]

"I'm for reducing welfare just as much as you are. But I'm opposed to welfare payments to Americans just as much as illegals. Because I'm opposed to welfare payments. I don't care who is receiving them. (You'll find that a large majority of "legal" Americans receiving welfare payments are "illegal" in many other areas of their lives as well.)"

TEXAS WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE!!!
You and I may reach consensus afterall....follow me with this one....

If we take thos ABLE BODIED AMERICANS off welfare and make the work for their money and use that money (in the billions) to supplement into placing the National guard on the border to back up INS, as well as use this money to deport illegals and back end former welfare recipients with these jobs we may reach an end to illegal immigration.

[AbsoluteJustice]

Read slowly and carefully, emotion? Na label those to discredit the message is typical of the far left to quiet a voice.

http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org
http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html

Again dont let facts get in the way in your argument.

[Modernman]

I'm quite suprized this hasn't made the smokey backroom with all of the personal attacks, let alone the anti-Bush liberal rhetoric flying around.

It is interesting- I think a lot of the anti-Bush posters would get zotted if they were newbies.

[greenwolf]

Thanks, I thought I remembered it being 21. The basic idea however remains the same, i.e. that no nation can afford to have political parties trying to import voting blocks for themselves.

[T.Smith]

"Care to explain why you think a person who votes R or D isn't voting their conscience?"

You are correct, voting R or D does not in itself mean that a person is not voting their conscience. But, there are many here who are voting R simply because they believe Republicans to be better than the alternative, not because they believe in the Republicans.

If you disagree with the majority of what the party has done, as I do, and vote that party anyway, you might not be voting your conscience.

If you cast your vote for R and then think, "I hope they don't screw it up too bad, but, at least I'm not voting D.", then you might not be voting your conscience.

If you are mad at the Rs, but vote for them because you believe voting I or L will be "throwing your vote away", you might not be voting your conscience.

[AbsoluteJustice]

"It is interesting- I think a lot of the anti-Bush posters would get zotted if they were newbies."

**Yawn**

Please do yourself a favor and actually read. It may make you appear less ignorant onto something of which you do not know.

http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org
http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html

[exmarine]

I didn't ask for a list of hits. I asked for a specific citation (that means a specific Title and Section--if you actually knew anything about law, you'd know that little fact) from the United States Code that specifically states that the Declaration of Independence is organic law.

The full text of the Declaration is right there in the U.S. Code. It's in the US Code. Why? Why is it there? Could it be that it is important to our laws in some way? Duh. You tell me. You stand refuted. I don't think I need to go any further. I provided the exact location in a url. Want me to cut and paste the text of the Declaration right from the website and post it here?

[BigSkyFreeper]

You read slowly and carefully, and as a public service, since I'm that kind of a guy, I'll make my text big enough for you to read slowly:

Do what you do is best for you, I'm voting for Bush in November.

[Modernman]

The roman republic did not resemble our republic.

It resembled it, but it wasn't the same. Every political system in the world is different. You asked for examples of other republics/democracies with certain characteristics, and I provided them. If you want to argue that the US system is unique in human history, I have to agree. However, the same argument could be made about the British system, or the Japanese system, or the Venetian Republic.

[GunnyB]

Your plan is a work of art! We need to - without any ambiguity - take our country back from this rabble. La Raza indeed! Your plan would be like Ross Perot's "great sucking sound" only the vacuum would be coming from the speed with which these cockroaches left. Good on ya Mate!

[JustPiper]

I think some chemical reaction is permanently awry with the guy

LOL!

[Howlin]

But, there are many here who are voting R simply because they believe Republicans to be better than the alternative, not because they believe in the Republicans.

That, of course, is solely your opinion. Based on what, I have no idea, unless you mean that you're judging people who don't agree with you as not voting their principles.

[Howlin]

My pet peeve, believe me. I'd like to see some BIRTH CERTIFICATES at the voting booths!

[JustPiper]

I think some chemical reaction is permanently awry with the guy

LOL!

[billbears]

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation." I'm one of the 83%.

Watch it now, you can get called some pretty bad things for wanting to uphold the Constitution ;) BTW, I'm with you. The policies you suggested would not be hard to implement