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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: TommyUdo
Thanks very much, Tommy!

Your's is one of the most honest, sincere, and realistic answers I've seen on this subject in the hundreds I've been able to review.

Give your mamma a great big hug for all of us!

401 posted on 01/13/2004 10:32:59 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Howlin
"Will you agree to this then: if you don't vote for Bush and your guy doesn't win, will you agree not to return to this forum and bitch about Bush for another four years, being that he wasn't your choice and all that?"

You are entirely illogical, Howlin. Your statement above makes absolutely no sense in the context of political debate. Do you not see that another 4 years of Bush, or 4 years of Dean/Clark/Gephardt/Clinton would give me MORE right to express dissatisfaction (not that that is the point of a vote)? It is you who vote for Bush who will be in no position to complain when the roof caves in.

Please, read what you are writing before you post.

402 posted on 01/13/2004 10:33:10 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: Deport Billary
I have to agree with the "enemy within" assessment. It's quite obvious that Bush, Rove, and Fox want open borders and a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. The only people standing in their way are the proles. I would respect Bush more if he just came out and said it, instead of acting like a used car salesman. Note the use of the term "undocumented" immigrant in the mexico speech. He is up to no good.

Reminds me of a quote, which I think you'll agree, is quite applicable to this case:

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear."
--Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.

403 posted on 01/13/2004 10:34:24 AM PST by Capitalist Eric (To be a liberal, one must be mentally incompetant, or ignorant of reality.)
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To: TommyUdo; Happy2BMe
"her Grandmother led the Wagon Train"

Oops, I am informed that should be my Wife's Great-Great Grand Mother.

Cost me a dinner.

404 posted on 01/13/2004 10:34:57 AM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party-- Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk since 1964)
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To: jeremiah
If one plans to live off their life on just SS alone, didn't plan their retirement years properly.
405 posted on 01/13/2004 10:35:33 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: jeremiah; NYC Republican
"Keep in mind that we are not talking about 10 million illegals, the number is closer to 25 million."

A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

406 posted on 01/13/2004 10:36:20 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: T.Smith
Do you not see that another 4 years of Bush, or 4 years of Dean/Clark/Gephardt/Clinton would give me MORE right to express dissatisfaction (not that that is the point of a vote)?

Not if you help exacerbate the situation by allowing a Democrat to take over this country.

It is you who vote for Bush who will be in no position to complain when the roof caves in.

I'll be voting to SAVE this country from liberalism and outright hatred.

You'll be having a hissy fit.

407 posted on 01/13/2004 10:36:27 AM PST by Howlin
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To: tomswiftjr
The current plan is all carrot, no stick. You said it!
408 posted on 01/13/2004 10:36:52 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: jim35
So is the Dept of Homeland Security only worried about Arabs? The Federal Govt demands that the laws against Marijuana use be enforced, but it CANNOT lift a finger to make sure those involved in domestic criminal activity, be deported and stay that way? Pull off your blinders, the number one job of the Federal govt is to defend our country...... period.
409 posted on 01/13/2004 10:37:25 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: Modernman
It is still in plain enough language that the average citizen should be able to understand and relate it to the intentions of the founders.

Great problems occur when the Constitution is viewed outside of the original purpose, that is to protect the life, liberty and property of our citizens.

Allowing massive illegal immigration then granting amnesty does not support the intention of the constitution and deprives citizens of their freedom and money.
410 posted on 01/13/2004 10:38:16 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: TommyUdo
"Cost me a dinner."

There is no better food on the face of this earth than real homemade Mexican food.

Enjoy!

411 posted on 01/13/2004 10:38:58 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Granted immigrants are hungrier than natives and would tend to tolerate more, and produce more. However, if we have to give each job in the US to the lowest bidder, we may end up giving the job of President to a foreigner who would be more than happy to work 24x7 without one day vacation, and don't even ask for more than $60K/year. That is a good saving? How about all these worthless CEOs who are playing golf and doing practically nothing? I wager you an Indian immigrant would do much better job, and cost us less. In other words, let us just bring a new hungry population here, and forget our lazy population?
412 posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:07 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Howlin
"You'll be having a hissy fit."

I'm finished with you, Howlin. I am trying to discuss this intellectually. If you can read my posts and still claim that I am "having a hissy fit", then you are not fit for discussion.

413 posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:27 AM PST by T.Smith
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To: Howlin
Sorry, I meant got, not go.
414 posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:37 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: jeremiah
>>The Federal Govt demands that the laws against Marijuana use be enforced,

That's what I keep saying. Can't we apply this logic to the WoSD and potheads.


415 posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:40 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Howlin
Sorry, I meant got, not go.
416 posted on 01/13/2004 10:40:42 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sinkspur
In a word?

Yes

I advocated that position back then too. Didn't have alot of supporters then either and I don't expect to now. But it's still my conviction.
417 posted on 01/13/2004 10:41:10 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Allowing massive illegal immigration then granting amnesty does not support the intention of the constitution and deprives citizens of their freedom and money."

Common sense bump.
418 posted on 01/13/2004 10:41:13 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: Modernman
/"...If I were AG, I would not enforce any law that was contrary to GOD'S ETERNAL LAWS..." "...they would refuse to enforce abortion laws..."/


//"...That's the surest road to dictatorship..."//

OK, I see the great Independent/Liberaltarian plan now: First, tell the courts to go to hell, the president is in charge now. Next, vote against GW, and give the presidency to Dean, or Clark, or Clinton. Then we can have President-for-life Howard Dean! Man, you guys are brilliant!


419 posted on 01/13/2004 10:41:16 AM PST by jim35
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To: T.Smith
You're not trying to "discuss" anything; you're busy trying to convince yourself and the rest of us that you're more noble than we are because you've decided that your opinions/beliefs are more important that the rest of ours.

You claim we put party above country; I claim you put yourself about country.
420 posted on 01/13/2004 10:42:33 AM PST by Howlin
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