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Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan
WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:54:13 AM PST by JustPiper

Conservative talk-radio star, author says amnesty is betrayal of country

In the latest indication President Bush is having problems with his conservative core political constituency, Michael Savage, one of talk radio's biggest stars, tonight called for the impeachment of President Bush over his plans to legalize millions of illegal aliens.

"This is the worst betrayal of our country in my lifetime," said Savage, whose program is heard on more than 350 stations with an audience reaching some 6 million. His book, "The Savage Nation," last year was No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller's list for five weeks. His follow-up, "The Enemy Within," out just one week, is already No. 8 on the list. Both were published by WND Books.

President Bush

Tonight Savage called Bush a liberal and described him as part of the "enemy within" that is destroying the nation.

Savage created the phrase "compassionate conservative" in 1994, a term picked up by Bush during his presidential campaign – a campaign supported by Savage.

"This is much more serious than dropping your pants for an intern," said Savage. "This is a policy that represents a danger to national security."

Savage is hardly alone in his strong feelings of opposition to Bush's proposal to offer legal status to illegal immigrants. A new ABC News poll finds 52 percent of the nation opposes an amnesty program for illegal immigrants from Mexico, while 57 percent oppose one for illegal immigrants from other countries. Both results are roughly the same as when the administration floated the idea two-and-a-half years ago.

But today in Monterrey, Mexico, Bush reaffirmed his support of the proposal, despite its unpopularity at home. He said it could help illegal immigrants "leave the shadows and have an identity."

At a joint press conference with Mexican President Vicente Fox, Bush warned that his government will not allow the existence in the United States of an underclass of illegal immigrants, but claimed again his proposal is not an amnesty. Amnesty, he said, would only promote the violation of the law and perpetuate illegal immigration.

Bush said his immigration proposal would benefit both the United States and Mexico as it recognizes the contribution of thousands of honest Mexicans who work in the United States.

For his part, Fox embraced Bush's proposal.

"What else can we wish?" Fox said at the news conference with the president.

In the U.S., the latest poll on the controversy shows at least twice as many Americans "strongly" oppose the proposal as strongly support it.

Opposition peaks in Bush's own party: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans oppose his immigration proposal for Mexicans, compared with 50 percent of Democrats. For illegal immigrants other than Mexicans, 63 percent of Republicans are opposed.

Bush reportedly will disclose more details of the plan in his State of the Union address Jan. 20.

Meanwhile, the National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol's non-supervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States," the Washington Times reported today.

The agents were told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn't serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.

"Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb' to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don't be confused and call this an 'amnesty,' even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here. The president assures us that it's not an amnesty," he said.

Last week Bush proposed the sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card. The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.

Savage cited a new report published in the City Journal by the Manhattan Institute suggesting there is a major crime wave in the U.S. caused by illegal immigration.

"Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens," the report charges. "Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gang-banger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law."

The situation is similar, the report says in New York, Chicago, San Diego, Austin and Houston. These "sanctuary policies" generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities, says the report.

"These people are destroying America," said Savage. "That's all I have to say on the subject. But you can talk about it. Talk about it while you can – while America is still a free country, because it's not going to last."


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To: Axiom Nine
Yes they may pay taxes under his proposal, but they would be eligible for SS. That alone takes more out of the govt coffers, than is put in. Remember, the SS program is a ponzi scheme, eventually there will be borrowing on a mass scale to pay out benefits. I foresee a day when hundreds of billions of dollars will be borrowed just to pay foreign born non-US citizens for the small amounts they paid into the system. Bottom line, they will take more out of the system, than they put back.
381 posted on 01/13/2004 10:24:24 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: Modernman
What happens when laymen disagree as to what the Constitution means? You and I clearly disagree as to the meaning in the Constitution. Without the judiciary, how do we settle that dispute?

Some interpretations are so blatantly bad that there is no argument. For example, Roe v. Wade is not abrogates the right to life, but it violates Constiutional due process, and invents a new right out of thin air - privacy. Show me the right to privacy. Show me the right to sodomy. If they aren't there, then they aren't there, and you know what, they aren't there. Therefore, it is an easy call - UNCONSTITUTIONAL and should be defied by any leader who took an oath.

382 posted on 01/13/2004 10:24:54 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Modernman
What happens when laymen disagree as to what the Constitution means? You and I clearly disagree as to the meaning in the Constitution. Without the judiciary, how do we settle that dispute?

Some interpretations are so blatantly bad that there is no argument. For example, Roe v. Wade is not abrogates the right to life, but it violates Constiutional due process, and invents a new right out of thin air - privacy. Show me the right to privacy. Show me the right to sodomy. If they aren't there, then they aren't there, and you know what, they aren't there. Therefore, it is an easy call - UNCONSTITUTIONAL and should be defied by any leader who took an oath.

383 posted on 01/13/2004 10:24:59 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
"...The rub elbows with those EVIL democrats (yes, I said EVIL!) as if they are drinking buddies or something. If I were AG, I would not enforce any law that was contrary to GOD'S ETERNAL LAWS. This is a sin. If Ashcroft or Bush had any guts, which they don't, they would refuse to enforce abortion laws. What are the courts going to do about it if they don't? Let's try it and see! Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional!.."

Sigh. I'm with you on ALMOST everything you say, but I'm not enabling a bunch of democRATs by voting against GW. You're right that I'm excusing behavior which I disapprove of, but it's for the greater good, since compromise is unavoidable in politics. Your agenda will never, ever make it in the present political climate, so all you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.
384 posted on 01/13/2004 10:25:25 AM PST by jim35
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Salem; Dubya; ohioWfan
I understand the President is a born-again believer and reads his Bible daily. He quotes from it regularly, much to the disdain of the liberals.

I really am inspired when our president quotes from the Word of God and really means it.

I see no evidence not to believe that George Bush is anything other than a true believer.

Neither Billy Graham or the Pope is able to please all the Christians all the time (God bless all three of them).

385 posted on 01/13/2004 10:26:49 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: jim35
"Yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. Now, get off that soapbox, and stop trying to tell me what my religion tells me to do or not do."

These are statements I have made and not directed at you. Remember I am not on a soapbox because I am not up here labeling people as to what they are and what they are not.
386 posted on 01/13/2004 10:27:59 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: JustPiper
I don't think we should be legalizing the status of illegal immigrants either, but impeachment?

I've heard this Savage guy a couple of times and thought he was making a conscious effort to sound like a screwball. It looks like he's trying to outdo himself on this one, BUT GOOD!

387 posted on 01/13/2004 10:29:10 AM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Happy2BMe
"Tommy - what are the fifth and sixth generation native Americans whose ancestors came from Mexico saying about Bush's new illegal immigration reform in California? Are they for it?"

Actually, multi-generational Californians of any stripe are rare, so I can only speak for the people in my family I talk to. I am the only one of a half dozen family members that tentatively supports it. My wife doesn't count, her family came to CA in a Covered Wagon...her Grandmother led the Wagon Train! (We still have her Pocket Pistol! The rocking chair she sat in for the journey was in the Pioneer Museum in Jackson, CA, last we checked)

I say tentatively, because something has to be done, and I think identification of the Illegals that are here is the first step. I also like the fine and background check part of the proposal.

But, knowing some folks on the "other" side of the fence, I predict that the "criminal" alien and some not so criminal; the just paranoid; will stay away from this in droves and we'll still have the same problem.

Ah yes, the old reductio ad absurdum. One of the few things we have in common is our Immigrant Heritage. I ofter wonder what tales will be told to Grand Children in the future? Or do people even do that any more?

388 posted on 01/13/2004 10:29:17 AM PST by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party-- Proudly Pimpin' off Po' Folk since 1964)
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To: jim35
You're right that I'm excusing behavior which I disapprove of, but it's for the greater good, since compromise is unavoidable in politics.

Let me ask you a question then: Is God Lord over politics or does His sovereignty end at the White House door? I can tell you what George Washington had to say about that - he was clear - God is sovereign...period. You cannot cull any part of life from the spiritual - all of life is spiritual - all of it. I see nowhere in Scripture where God condones sin for the sake of a greater good...He demands obedience and Holiness.

389 posted on 01/13/2004 10:29:51 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: bootless
"I guess you haven't been listening to Hannity since this proposal was first aired. He has been consistently critical of the President for the idea."

He soft-tailed it like a slap on the wrist. He is not 1/100th of a percent as harsh on bad ideas from Republicans like he is with liberals.
390 posted on 01/13/2004 10:29:59 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: riri
Remain strong and unwavering - it looks good on you.
391 posted on 01/13/2004 10:30:00 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

392 posted on 01/13/2004 10:30:08 AM PST by Howlin
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To: hedgetrimmer
Yeah, Bush the internationalist. Man, you'd get a WHOLE lot of laughs over that one at the DU. Is this the same president who jacked up the U.N.? Who kept the U.S. out of the World Court? Who trashed the Kyoto Treaty? Get real, dude.
393 posted on 01/13/2004 10:30:08 AM PST by jim35
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To: citizen
Agree. This is the FINAL straw - not the ONLY one. There have been so many decisions along the way that have been disappointing (for lack of a better word), but this was just the final one. For me, at least.
394 posted on 01/13/2004 10:30:36 AM PST by ImpotentRage
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To: jim35
Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

395 posted on 01/13/2004 10:31:39 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jim35
Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

396 posted on 01/13/2004 10:31:44 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: jim35
Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

397 posted on 01/13/2004 10:31:47 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: hedgetrimmer
where the United States go a directive, thats an order, to make social security available to illegals and to give them greater access to our country.

Whatever points you may make, you undercut them with stuff like that.

398 posted on 01/13/2004 10:31:57 AM PST by Howlin
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To: NYC Republican
Name a single issue that would turn it for you? House to house gun confiscation? If that happened, would people be calling you a single issue voter? It all depends on whos ox is being gored. For me, there is no issue more important than defending our borders, and poor illegals are as dangerous to this country, as an armed terrorist. Maybe more so, because the armed intruder is easily identified and will cause a rallying of the populace. While a poor illegal, will silently undermine the basis of our country, and suck the life(and billions of dollars) from the country.

Keep in mind that we are not talking about 10 million illegals, the number is closer to 25 million. The highways would unclog, insurance rates in all industries would drop, unemployment would be at zero effectively, then as NEEDED, we could allow a guest worker program that pays no SS to anyone not a citizen.

399 posted on 01/13/2004 10:31:58 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: hedgetrimmer
where the United States go a directive, thats an order, to make social security available to illegals and to give them greater access to our country.

Whatever points you may make, you undercut them with stuff like that.

400 posted on 01/13/2004 10:32:15 AM PST by Howlin
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