Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

[jeremiah]

Yes they may pay taxes under his proposal, but they would be eligible for SS. That alone takes more out of the govt coffers, than is put in. Remember, the SS program is a ponzi scheme, eventually there will be borrowing on a mass scale to pay out benefits. I foresee a day when hundreds of billions of dollars will be borrowed just to pay foreign born non-US citizens for the small amounts they paid into the system. Bottom line, they will take more out of the system, than they put back.

[exmarine]

What happens when laymen disagree as to what the Constitution means? You and I clearly disagree as to the meaning in the Constitution. Without the judiciary, how do we settle that dispute?

Some interpretations are so blatantly bad that there is no argument. For example, Roe v. Wade is not abrogates the right to life, but it violates Constiutional due process, and invents a new right out of thin air - privacy. Show me the right to privacy. Show me the right to sodomy. If they aren't there, then they aren't there, and you know what, they aren't there. Therefore, it is an easy call - UNCONSTITUTIONAL and should be defied by any leader who took an oath.

[exmarine]

What happens when laymen disagree as to what the Constitution means? You and I clearly disagree as to the meaning in the Constitution. Without the judiciary, how do we settle that dispute?

Some interpretations are so blatantly bad that there is no argument. For example, Roe v. Wade is not abrogates the right to life, but it violates Constiutional due process, and invents a new right out of thin air - privacy. Show me the right to privacy. Show me the right to sodomy. If they aren't there, then they aren't there, and you know what, they aren't there. Therefore, it is an easy call - UNCONSTITUTIONAL and should be defied by any leader who took an oath.

[jim35]

"...The rub elbows with those EVIL democrats (yes, I said EVIL!) as if they are drinking buddies or something. If I were AG, I would not enforce any law that was contrary to GOD'S ETERNAL LAWS. This is a sin. If Ashcroft or Bush had any guts, which they don't, they would refuse to enforce abortion laws. What are the courts going to do about it if they don't? Let's try it and see! Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional!.."

Sigh. I'm with you on ALMOST everything you say, but I'm not enabling a bunch of democRATs by voting against GW. You're right that I'm excusing behavior which I disapprove of, but it's for the greater good, since compromise is unavoidable in politics. Your agenda will never, ever make it in the present political climate, so all you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

[Happy2BMe]

I understand the President is a born-again believer and reads his Bible daily. He quotes from it regularly, much to the disdain of the liberals.

I really am inspired when our president quotes from the Word of God and really means it.

I see no evidence not to believe that George Bush is anything other than a true believer.

Neither Billy Graham or the Pope is able to please all the Christians all the time (God bless all three of them).

[AbsoluteJustice]

"Yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. Now, get off that soapbox, and stop trying to tell me what my religion tells me to do or not do."

These are statements I have made and not directed at you. Remember I am not on a soapbox because I am not up here labeling people as to what they are and what they are not.

[Scenic Sounds]

I don't think we should be legalizing the status of illegal immigrants either, but impeachment?

I've heard this Savage guy a couple of times and thought he was making a conscious effort to sound like a screwball. It looks like he's trying to outdo himself on this one, BUT GOOD!

[TommyUdo]

"Tommy - what are the fifth and sixth generation native Americans whose ancestors came from Mexico saying about Bush's new illegal immigration reform in California? Are they for it?"

Actually, multi-generational Californians of any stripe are rare, so I can only speak for the people in my family I talk to. I am the only one of a half dozen family members that tentatively supports it. My wife doesn't count, her family came to CA in a Covered Wagon...her Grandmother led the Wagon Train! (We still have her Pocket Pistol! The rocking chair she sat in for the journey was in the Pioneer Museum in Jackson, CA, last we checked)

I say tentatively, because something has to be done, and I think identification of the Illegals that are here is the first step. I also like the fine and background check part of the proposal.

But, knowing some folks on the "other" side of the fence, I predict that the "criminal" alien and some not so criminal; the just paranoid; will stay away from this in droves and we'll still have the same problem.

Ah yes, the old reductio ad absurdum. One of the few things we have in common is our Immigrant Heritage. I ofter wonder what tales will be told to Grand Children in the future? Or do people even do that any more?

[exmarine]

You're right that I'm excusing behavior which I disapprove of, but it's for the greater good, since compromise is unavoidable in politics.

Let me ask you a question then: Is God Lord over politics or does His sovereignty end at the White House door? I can tell you what George Washington had to say about that - he was clear - God is sovereign...period. You cannot cull any part of life from the spiritual - all of life is spiritual - all of it. I see nowhere in Scripture where God condones sin for the sake of a greater good...He demands obedience and Holiness.

[AbsoluteJustice]

"I guess you haven't been listening to Hannity since this proposal was first aired. He has been consistently critical of the President for the idea."

He soft-tailed it like a slap on the wrist. He is not 1/100th of a percent as harsh on bad ideas from Republicans like he is with liberals.

[Happy2BMe]

Remain strong and unwavering - it looks good on you.

[Howlin]

Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[jim35]

Yeah, Bush the internationalist. Man, you'd get a WHOLE lot of laughs over that one at the DU. Is this the same president who jacked up the U.N.? Who kept the U.S. out of the World Court? Who trashed the Kyoto Treaty? Get real, dude.

[ImpotentRage]

Agree. This is the FINAL straw - not the ONLY one. There have been so many decisions along the way that have been disappointing (for lack of a better word), but this was just the final one. For me, at least.

[exmarine]

Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

[exmarine]

Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

[exmarine]

Another thing, if you stop enforcing Roe v Wade, it could be a slippery slope as precedent when you allow President Clark and Vice President Clinton to run things.

We are to do the RIGHT thing and let God fight the big battle and control the outcome. When we do things to manipulate the future, we are playing God. We are to do the right thing and leave the result up to God. Period.

[Howlin]

where the United States go a directive, thats an order, to make social security available to illegals and to give them greater access to our country.

Whatever points you may make, you undercut them with stuff like that.

[jeremiah]

Name a single issue that would turn it for you? House to house gun confiscation? If that happened, would people be calling you a single issue voter? It all depends on whos ox is being gored. For me, there is no issue more important than defending our borders, and poor illegals are as dangerous to this country, as an armed terrorist. Maybe more so, because the armed intruder is easily identified and will cause a rallying of the populace. While a poor illegal, will silently undermine the basis of our country, and suck the life(and billions of dollars) from the country.

Keep in mind that we are not talking about 10 million illegals, the number is closer to 25 million. The highways would unclog, insurance rates in all industries would drop, unemployment would be at zero effectively, then as NEEDED, we could allow a guest worker program that pays no SS to anyone not a citizen.

[Howlin]

where the United States go a directive, thats an order, to make social security available to illegals and to give them greater access to our country.

Whatever points you may make, you undercut them with stuff like that.